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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: bornintheussr on February 27, 2024, 06:51:22 PM
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making my first baby steps in collecting muzzleloaders
got this 2 rifles at the auction but not sure what they are
#1
.32 cal
(https://i.ibb.co/1ZhwpKc/GUN-0172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SNW910S)
(https://i.ibb.co/Qk34fvR/GUN-0173.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PMvdNGn)
(https://i.ibb.co/8cLLgBS/GUN-0174.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gVLLZ7B)
(https://i.ibb.co/7VN4Nbg/GUN-0175.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vmvYvDs)
(https://i.ibb.co/djkCSng/GUN-0176.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mbhZmQ8)
(https://i.ibb.co/hx6RMGC/GUN-0177.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRj6JQN)
(https://i.ibb.co/D4c9KhV/GUN-0178.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8Mvr8qK)
(https://i.ibb.co/5hjZCpN/GUN-0179.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tp2Rnj7)
(https://i.ibb.co/c1ggLjr/GUN-0180.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xb228qC)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZSjCsVz/GUN-0181.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FXrtvK4)
(https://i.ibb.co/QJ9H5XZ/GUN-0182.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wdyQvYT)
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#2
.50 cal
(https://i.ibb.co/8cdtvht/GUN-0184.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RyBdr5d)
(https://i.ibb.co/JdhkLWP/GUN-0185.jpg) (https://ibb.co/26bK20B)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y3s59Hh/GUN-0186.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BtMhD0B)
(https://i.ibb.co/C8bb16K/GUN-0187.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxXXnFV)
(https://i.ibb.co/0DnTjsR/GUN-0188.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lk0mzNX)
(https://i.ibb.co/JkdH8qH/GUN-0189.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WK3f70f)
(https://i.ibb.co/fxNBYfn/GUN-0190.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P6W3ZK9)
(https://i.ibb.co/Qd2yWbK/GUN-0191.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KwMTt0r)
(https://i.ibb.co/bsJvN45/GUN-0192.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JvQprYj)
(https://i.ibb.co/8NTcmpk/GUN-0193.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZGtmfP9)
(https://i.ibb.co/tBmSXpt/GUN-0194.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VVjdmYZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/10vPtnw/GUN-0195.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j86QP51)
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I'll go out on a limb and will be easily corrected on my guesses. The top one looks South Carolina to me and the bottom looks possibly Maryland? The old gun experts will probably be able to pin them down better than me.
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very interesting anybody else can comment on this guns?
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I have a gun by W.H. Brown that has twin cheek rests similar to the one on your gun. Although they are positioned a little farther back on the stock than the ones shown. Mine could have been built in Pittsburgh Penn. or Lakeport Calif. he worked in both places. By the way my gun has several German silver inlays, and an extensive wear plate on the forearm.
Hungry Horse
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I paid $400 for pair so no big deal if I lost my $$
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You did very well. They are both old rifles and even if it isn't readily apparent who made them or where there are many here who would gladly pay that for the two of them.
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thank you
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Since no one else has asked, I'll ask the easy question... did you check the top flat on each barrel, several inches behind the rear sight, to see if there is any maker's name, initials, or even a trace of a mark? It could be engraved or stamped into the barrel, and could be first initial and last name, or perhaps just two initials. If anything is on either gun, please let us know.
In reviewing your rifles, my thoughts are:
1. half-stocked rifle - I think this rifle is from the Midwest, i.e., Ohio, Indiana, Illinois area, and probably southern parts of those states close to the Ohio River. I would have thrown Kentucky unto the mix, but the gun's short tang "kinda" rules it out. The "different" shaped lock bolt washer like an unside-down umbrella was used by a couple Indiana gunmakers, and perhaps more importantly, the "square shoulder" on the guard where the rear spur runs straight up, rather than curving up, to meet the guard's rear extension, is most often found on guns from near the Ohio River on both north and south sides. So... I'm guessing a Midwest rifle until someone comes up with something better.
2. full-stocked rifle - the gun has a distinctive guard with smaller bow and a longer, extended grip rail behind the bow. The gun also has a very low comb. Those details were used in Bedford County, PA and then moved into the next couple counties west of Bedford. I'd think the box is nice enough that someone will eventually identify it after doing a little research, and it will be from western PA.
Shelby Gallien
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very interesting anybody else can comment on this guns?
Your $400 investment was a good one.When we consider what $400 will NOT buy now.
Bob Roller
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Thank you for your expertise Tanselman. I will pick this rifles from auction house on the way to Baltimore Antique show and will carefully inspect it.
I enlarged this pictures and what I see is T Davidson Cincinnati stamped on the lock of the first rifle.
As for the second rifle I was really hoping it could be one of Susquehanna rifles. I have a cottage located on the bank of this great river and it would definitely melt my heart to get a rifle associating with this river