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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Fullstock longrifle on June 11, 2024, 03:50:58 AM
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I came across this rifle today that needs some help. The barrel is signed, but I can’t make it out, any idea who this maker is? Thanks for your help.
(https://i.ibb.co/N2v3yvF/IMG-7263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v4FBjFc)
(https://i.ibb.co/k5hBZKW/IMG-7266.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wBKgtyx)
(https://i.ibb.co/yk4Rc01/IMG-7268.png) (https://ibb.co/VCwNcVZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/60Bn2BQ/IMG-7269.jpg) (https://ibb.co/chLgPLq)
(https://i.ibb.co/zhh1tp9/IMG-7270.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6RR2qz9)
(https://i.ibb.co/DVR7Vk5/IMG-7272.png) (https://ibb.co/smVFmQy)
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Nice find. Is it a Maryland rifle? I see N. Van Owen Oer. I never heard of a maker with that name. That is a riddle.
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Nice find. Is it a Maryland rifle? I see N. Van Owen Oer. I never heard of a maker with that name. That is a riddle.
It does have some Maryland features Mark, but I can’t make out enough of the signature to tell.
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I hope that you find out. It looks like a nice rifle. I would guess Western Pa?
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I'd think W. Pa as well.
For the name, still looking, hoping something will pop up out of there.
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I hope that you find out. It looks like a nice rifle. I would guess Western Pa?
Yeah, the box & side plate do look WPA.
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Reminds me of Jacob Earnest/Allison and WPA. Did you look through Rick’s book?
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I looked in Rick's book and could not find a name like/close to that. Does anyone else think the last name is Van Owen Oer?
Do you wonder if he shortened it up to Oer or Van Owen sometime later?
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Reminds me of Jacob Earnest/Allison and WPA. Did you look through Rick’s book?
Yes, I checked it out, couldn’t find anything close unfortunately.
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I looked in Rick's book and could not find a name like/close to that. Does anyone else think the last name is Van Owen Oer?
Do you wonder if he shortened it up to Oer or Van Owen sometime later?
The name is done so light it’s hard to say Mark.
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Nice find Frank! I'm thinking western Pa. also. I like the patchbox engraving and eagle. Interesting signature.
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Nice find Frank! I'm thinking western Pa. also. I like the patchbox engraving and eagle. Interesting signature.
Yes, I’m sure it is, the box looks like Allison’s work, but it’s not him.
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I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close. Perhaps the name of the owner?
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I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close. Perhaps the name of the owner?
I’ve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and it’s N Vangivenger.
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How about last name Vandevender or Vandevandor ?
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How about last name Vandevender or Vandevandor ?
(https://i.ibb.co/82Trc9W/IMG-7281.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4M98dp6)
(https://i.ibb.co/rbxn9zY/IMG-7282.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK4zy76)
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Here is a Nicholas Vandivender from Western Pa, right time frame. You might be able to find his occupation in the 1850 census records.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8948780/nicholas-vandivender
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Here is a Nicholas Vandivender from Western Pa, right time frame. You might be able to find his occupation in the 1850 census records.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8948780/nicholas-vandivender
Thanks Mark, that sure looks close!
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I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close. Perhaps the name of the owner?
I’ve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and it’s N Vangivenger.
I have seen a handful with owners name but all made by Shreckengost.
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I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close. Perhaps the name of the owner?
I’ve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and it’s N Vangivenger.
I have seen a handful with owners name but all made by Shreckengost.
I’ve actually seen one, but it had the gunsmiths name, then “for” and the owners name after that.