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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: debnal on July 15, 2024, 08:00:06 PM
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A friend sent these pictures. I really don't collect Kentuckys so I thought some of you can chime in.
Al
(https://i.ibb.co/L9wmLvC/thumbnail-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/frRfhQC)
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Very interesting and probably important early smooth rifle of the 1770s-1790
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The carving reminds me of Metzger, Jacob I believe. It's a nice fowler.
Buck
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Check P M
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Wow! Rounded on the bottom of the but stock like a fowler,fowler type trigger guard. Rifled barrel. Cool Neat early gun . wish I had some insight . I got nothing. Jim
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Hahaha we all want it!
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I got another picture of the trigger guard and bottom of the butt. I am very interested in where this piece may have been made and its date of
manufacture.
Al
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Nice. The gunsmith did not worry about file marks left on the end of the nose cap, did he.
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I stand corrected the bottom of the but stock is flat and no round. This makes it even better.
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Jim,
See the link below, think back on Louie's Metzger Rifle - same maker.
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/85/1258/jacob-metzger-signed-flintlock-american-long-rifle
Noel
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I got another picture of the trigger guard and bottom of the butt. I am very interested in where this piece may have been made and its date of
manufacture.
Al
(https://i.ibb.co/T25LMh4/thumbnail-8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7CF4tyn)
These features are like other guns guessed to be 1770s to 1780s guns:
Flat wide buttplate
Wooden patchbox
Large caliber filled barrel
Side plate reminds me of Oerter’s, but of course the architecture doesn’t.
Looks Lancaster/York to me, favoring Lancaster. I’d like to see any carving around the tang. Side plate?
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Rich,
Thanks for your comments. I thought it was early, just didn't know if it could be Rev war. I have no idea of the place of manufacture.
Al
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I just got this picture. The more pictures I see the more I want this rifle.
Al
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A couple more pictures.
Al
(https://i.ibb.co/4RdY9Wh/thumbnail-9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8gcdTM1)
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Other opinions may vary on approximate date and location. I’m going to search my collections of Shumway stuccoes because they cheekpiece and carving triggered something in my memory.
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Nice find. Interesting lock with no rear fence on the pan, maybe another clue to origin/maker
Steve
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That's a great rifle, and certainly early!
The side plate with the two filed notches just behind the forward screw reminds me of someone/some place, but my mind is refusing to cooperate.
I also wonder about the fowler style trigger guard and its inletting, but overall not a big deal.
What a find!
John
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In the first photo posted, it appears as though there is a concave "swale?" along the top half of the buttstock (between the top of the patchbox lid and the comb). Seen similar wrist to butt transitions, but not where extends all the way to the corner off the buttplate.
Anyone see this before and would you consider it a regional detail?
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Cool rifle - just a wild guess but the side plate makes me think of the area between Reading and Lebanon - like an early Philip Beck or someone somewhere in the vicinity.
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Very neat rifle. I don't think it's a PA gun but where, no idea. Looks like a 'parts gun' too. The buttplate clearly looks like a fowler plate that was cut down a bit and reshaped somewhat and is likely why the toe flat is so narrow.
Has this been reconverted, maybe an old reconversion? Tough to tell with the photos but trying to zoom in, some of the exterior lock parts kind of look more like replacement parts as opposed to what I would expect to see with that lockplate. Could be wrong but there is definitely something funky going on with the fitment of the pan, or maybe just the camera angle.
Box lid looks to be original - that's extremely cool! How long is this barrel?
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Nice to see this early rifle. Thanks Al.
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The barrel is 43.5 inches. The lock appears to be original flint according to my friend.
Al
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It's a great old piece that needs to be closely studied. It may be made up of pieces from an earlier gun but I believe all original to it's build. What a find.
Jim