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Title: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Justin Urbantas on November 27, 2024, 06:10:53 AM
This is super cool.
It's like an armoury to go. This box, and a box of ammunition, and you're ready for conflict.

 Chest of Arms and its contents, 1828-30.
The 19th century chest of arms is one of the most remarkable objects to come into the UK’s National Collection of Arms & Amour in recent times. 
Containing 12 of the same types of swords, scabbards, musketoons, bayonets and pistols, this 19th century chest of arms has benefitted from excellent research by my predecessors who acquired the chest for the museum in 1996.
They revealed the Birmingham maker, a very precise date range for its creation and the probable purpose of the chest alongside interesting observations about the weapon types within.
So as individual objects the contents are intriguing, especially to someone like me who is fascinated with edged weapons, as the swords are not of any positively identified British military pattern. 
But taken as a whole, the wider history the chest really comes into its own.  It was probably commissioned by a mill owner to equip their private ‘militia’ during a turbulent period when some land and business owners felt the need to defend their property against protesters or rioters.   
Such a chest could literally be wheeled out and from it 12 ‘militia’ heavily armed to potentially defend their employer’s interests. 
However, it was seldom, if ever, used as the weapons are in an excellent state of preservation, with the original polish on the blades, buff leather sword-knots, lacquer on the scabbards and browning on the barrels all surviving in remarkable condition.


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Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: old george on November 27, 2024, 02:52:38 PM
Just what every community watch group needs.  ;D Really neat piece of history thanks for posting this.

george
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Dan Fruth on November 27, 2024, 05:22:43 PM
Thanks for sharing....Super neat!!
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Pukka Bundook on November 27, 2024, 05:49:01 PM
That looks very like the 1796 pattern chopper, Justin.
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Post by: Seth Isaacson on November 27, 2024, 06:00:57 PM
That is really super cool for sure. I can envision someone dragging something like this from out under a bed to arm a small settlement against an attack in a movie.
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: JV Puleo on November 28, 2024, 04:05:57 AM
I know of two of these surviving with their contents. One is in the Royal Armouries (though not on display). The other was sold by Robert Ables years ago (I remember it in his catalog). One has short swords and the other has cutlasses. They were often used to arm merchant ships. The one in the Royal Armouries was purchased by a mill owner during the luddite troubles to arm his loyal workmen. I was told that the one Ables sold was made into a coffee table with a large plate of glass replacing the top.
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Clowdis on November 28, 2024, 05:27:44 PM
Great photos Justin! So what are the rifles/muskets encased within? Bakers?
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Bob Gerard on November 28, 2024, 09:37:57 PM
You’ll need a team of stout and hearty men to haul around that crate!
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Post by: teakmtn on November 30, 2024, 11:08:23 PM
Very cool. Are there photos of the pistols and long arms?
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: Justin Urbantas on December 02, 2024, 02:20:00 AM
I can't seem to find any pictures  with the arms removed from the chest.  I assume they're short muskets and smoothbore pistols.
Title: Re: Arms chest. Super cool!!
Post by: JV Puleo on December 04, 2024, 05:19:14 PM
They are light muskets...the term they used was "fuzee" and smooth bore pistols. The short swords are similar to those later carried by the police and, as I've said, the other chest I've seen pictures of had cutlasses in place of short swords. That one was almost certainly meant for a merchantman.

I've seen the one in the Royal Armouries.