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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: WKevinD on December 11, 2024, 11:39:00 PM

Title: Showed up in the shop, Italian? Pictures added
Post by: WKevinD on December 11, 2024, 11:39:00 PM
Smoothbore, about 20ga. 42" barrel.
I am fascinated with this piece.
A friend picked it up at an auction brought it in for a cleaning.

Kevin

(https://i.ibb.co/t3Np1hj/Italian-lock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8XRgQBv)

(https://i.ibb.co/3cVbV8c/Italianlock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6FGSGpF)

(https://i.ibb.co/rKByHkN/Italian-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q7WmM9t)

(https://i.ibb.co/68Nymp3/Italian-butt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tz3H4N7)

(https://i.ibb.co/brnDC3B/Italian-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zSwDB5R)

(https://i.ibb.co/LkFsmSy/Italian-sight.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gx6ry7D)
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Avlrc on December 12, 2024, 12:49:22 AM
My guess is Spain.
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: BOB HILL on December 12, 2024, 02:23:23 AM
Looks Spanish to me too
Bob
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: smart dog on December 12, 2024, 04:01:28 PM
Hi,
Look for maker and city marks stamped on the barrel.  It looks Spanish, Madrid, from the early 19th century.

dave
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Seth Isaacson on December 12, 2024, 05:53:09 PM
That stock style is known as the "Madrid stock" but was used by Spanish makers nearby as well.
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Pukka Bundook on December 12, 2024, 06:53:54 PM
Invariably very powerful locks and a Chinese puzzle to take apart if not used to them!
Escopeta?

Apparently, these guns will often stand upright on the buttplate unsupported.
Having said that it doesn't sound a good idea!

Looks in Very good order.
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: WKevinD on December 12, 2024, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: Pukka Bundook on December 12, 2024, 06:53:54 PM
Invariably very powerful locks and a Chinese puzzle to take apart if not used to them!
Escopeta?

Apparently, these guns will often stand upright on the buttplate unsupported.
Having said that it doesn't sound a good idea!

Looks in Very good order.

It does stand on its flat buttplate (if I am inches away)
No markings on the barrel
I have not removed the lock yet but I am familiar with those letteral sears...I will not be taking it apart
I've seen pictures  but never had a chance to play with one in the shop before. The stock is slim and the ramrod is fully enclosed in the forestock.

Kevin
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Daryl on December 12, 2024, 11:34:37 PM
Kevin, got a full length "shot"?
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: WKevinD on December 13, 2024, 06:00:54 AM
Daryl, I'll take one tomorrow AM

Kevin
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Pukka Bundook on December 13, 2024, 05:36:20 PM
Kevin,

What I Do like, are the few Germanic rifles that followed this Spanish design in the fluted buttstock.
I think they can be very attractive and have a barrel in the rafters to make such a gun.

There are two shown in Harold L Peterson's book, "The Great Guns".  One by Michael Wagner in Cronach, 1703, and one by Paul Poser, roughly the same time period.
Can't recall if they are in George's Jaeger book...
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: Daryl on December 13, 2024, 11:48:33 PM
I remember now. I have that book too, Richard. Beautiful guns.
Title: Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
Post by: WKevinD on December 14, 2024, 05:40:21 AM
I added more pictures.

Kevin