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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: A.Merrill on January 12, 2025, 11:40:41 PM
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A friend of mine gave me a old buffalo horn that had been past down in his family from as far back as anyone could remember. Probably from around 1900, he still has the buffalo robe coat that was with the horn. it has several bug holes in it but they don't go all the way through. I'm building my son a Hawken rifle and thought the buffalo horn would go good with the rifle. I have never made a powder horn out of a buffalo horn and several of you on here has more experience than I do with horns.
This buffalo horn is 16 1/2in on outside curve and 3 5/8in wide. What should I do with it? Should the bug holes be filled or left as is to look old? What kind of plug should it have that would fit that time period? Give me some ideas and show me some pictures. I would like to decorate it some but keep it realistic.
Thanks. Al
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Depending on the condition of the horn (natural rough or cleaned up) you might try scraping it down to see how deep the bug holes are. You may be able to clean some of them up enough so they don't show that bad. Maple, beech, walnut and pine were common woods used for plugs. Pine is likely more traditional for a buffalo horn since that is what they had out west. Most of the original buffalo horns I have seen were very simple, even crude by today's standards. Some were decorated with brass tacks around the base and sometimes on the base plug itself. Buffalo can be a little tough to clean up if it is in the natural rough state, but it also looks nice when finished. PM me if you would like some ideas on how to clean and finish the horn. I also have pictures of an original in the Buffalo Bill Museum as well as some I have done. Pretty cool find. Good luck.
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This horn has been polished a long time ago. I was thinking about leaving it just like it is but adding the plug and eather carving the tip or adding a screw tip. There is three bug holes I would like to fill if there's a filler that won't show. I would like to see your pictures. Thank you. Al
(https://i.ibb.co/7zBYvqF/IMG-20250112-213911915-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g7QjyxC)
(https://i.ibb.co/wYx9dQv/IMG-20250112-213928045-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/52fN1j7)
(https://i.ibb.co/myhjqr7/IMG-20250112-213935199-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c82BFKd)
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I think the one you have is great as far as time period and authenticity. Scrape, sand and fill the holes. Personally, I'd rather have a hardwood plug and love black walnut, cherry, apple or pear wood.
I had Powderhorns and More make me a buffalo horn to specifically pair with my Hawken reproduction, it's my second buffler horn and I think it looks great.
(https://i.ibb.co/5c9n35k/IMG-20241010-031538.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg2xyrC)
My Hawken:
(https://i.ibb.co/DVmXjk3/1717680829769.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Here is one I did from a vintage horn I picked up somewhere. It looked like a ragged mess but cleaned up nicely with lots of rasping and scraping.
(https://i.ibb.co/C2WRnkQ/IMG-0752.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4dJhj6p)
I took the copper band from this original horn. I think the site I got the pics from called it a buffalo but am not 100% sure.
(https://i.ibb.co/mXBmTVQ/Copper-band-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k9ypBsY)
(https://i.ibb.co/59W4tgL/Butt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g7M9HLJ)
(https://i.ibb.co/c6wnHCy/Copper-band.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YcXsMyN)
(https://i.ibb.co/MnkgXQk/ao414n307-4-0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhq24dq)
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I can't tell how deep the cavity is on this horn but the neck looks pretty thick, you may have trouble just drilling the hole. I would do that first and see if it comes out OK before doing anything else. The "Crater" on the side can be filled, the depth of it makes me think the neck is very thick. The smaller holes will probably scrape out. You could fill the "Crater" with epoxy and cover it with a leather patch. Another idea would be to fill it with Pewter and let the repair show. As far as working the horns, start with a coarse rasp and work down to a fine file. Then sandpaper to 0000 steel wool of scrape it if that's the finish you're looking for. If you want it more polished burnish it with a pieces of antler. If it gets to shiney rub it with the steel wool to mat it out a bit. PM me with any questions.
Tim C.
A couple of the ones I have done:
(https://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg248/timbuckII/005_zpswb6twtkh.jpg)
(https://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg248/timbuckII/Bison%20Horn%20Tim%20Crosby%205%202016_zpspuy0u3ul.jpg)
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And Tim's top example is hanging with some of my pouches and horns made by me and more talented makers from here. This double-beavertail bag is by Cory Joe Stewart. Great horn.
(https://i.ibb.co/Mn47BgM/CJS-and-TC-horn.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5TyLK1B)
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Until recently I have never owned a buffalo horn and I have owned a lot of horns. When I inherited a cap lock Hawken from my late best friend and hunting partners family I felt the need to have a buffalo horn to go along with the included bag. Tim Crosby make this for me. Read Tims guidelines for doing your horn he is a wizard with horns.
(https://i.ibb.co/thjc04t/Buffalo-horn-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pPVZHx8)
(https://i.ibb.co/PzNMyXN/buffalo-horn-2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/bF0LTyZ/Buffalo-horn-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pQ7Zcs8)
(https://i.ibb.co/hCP0hkh/Buffalo-horn-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7Stqxq)
(https://i.ibb.co/LZHzVzS/Buffalo-horn-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JsgRDRn)
(https://i.ibb.co/hVSCJZ7/gun-and-horn-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ttsrxbv)
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Thanks Mile, I must have lost those Pix.
Tim
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Here are two simple buffalo horns I've made. Simple wooden plugs. Large one has hickory pins for the plug, smaller one has brass tacks.
(https://i.ibb.co/TTj1q8m/full-13020-150588-20220913-203005.jpg) (https://ibb.co/59pkx8B)
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These are some good looking horns. Two pictures attached show a group of buffalo horns, and the second shows a buffalo horn that I left the rough edge around the base on and did a tab type strap connection to make it a little different. It went off the blanket first.
(https://i.ibb.co/RPSThP3/IMG-0271.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jG5kVGy)
(https://i.ibb.co/mysKPMH/IMG-0283.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bvhVG8r)
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Muskrat Mike, Where can I read about Tim's suggestions for building my own buffalo horn?
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Muskrat Mike, Where can I read about Tim's suggestions for building my own buffalo horn?
I did not do a tutorial on using a Buffalo horn to make a Powder Horn. Does this help?
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=83574.msg818528#msg818528
Other than that I will answer any questions you have. I think the only real difference is in getting a good finish on it and the fact that they are very thick at the neck and may be difficult to drill the hole.
Tim
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Are buffalo horns thick enough to cast pewter designs?
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I would check that no holes go all the way through by shining a flashlight inside the horn in a darker room. If none go completely through, I would likely just take the horn surface down below the level of all the bug divots if possible - rather than try to fill them. It would also make for a much thinner and lighter horn.
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Hello,
I’ve read the posts in this thread and had an idea about filling the large holes if you decide to do so.
In woodworking, we make a closely matching filler by using sawdust from the wood and glue. Mix them together, fill the void slightly above the hole then after it is dry, carefully file and sand down to flush. Depending on the type of glue used, sometimes you can even stain it to match the rest of the wood.
You will probably cut something from this horn like the tip to make a spout, or in the base to clean it up. If you then take your scraps, file them and save the dust, mix with epoxy, it would probably make a good patch. I would scratch up the base and sides of hole to give the glue surface to catch hold of.
Of course this is just an idea to consider as I haven’t made very many powder horns like others here but perhaps Tim or others can comment on this patch filler idea. Maybe they’ve been there and done that and now don’t recommend it?
Best wishes with your project.
Bryan
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If the cut off tip is long enough, you can also slice it the long way and have two patches that can be fit to the larger holes. That way the patch will closely match the surrounding horn.
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Here are two examples I built some time ago but there are enough examples on the internet so it shouldn't be a problem to find something that suits you.
Monty
(https://i.ibb.co/XfymkqQk/11.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRHy10j1)
(https://i.ibb.co/VYTyYsSq/IMG-6134.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m54s53qc)
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Here's my Buffalo horn by Jack Brooks waiting on the Kibler Hawken.
(https://i.ibb.co/6cMnqCXR/PXL-20250320-160522857.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bj0WG9bg)