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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Oldrifle on May 16, 2025, 12:24:04 AM
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Does anyone know origin / maker of this rifle, no identifying marks I could find. This rifle was found by my father about 1950 in a barn on our farm. The property is located east of Dover, DE, only a couple miles from Caesar Rodney’s (declaration signer) farm and had been a farm since 1700’s
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Nice find. Technically it’s not a rifle, which is a long gun with a rifled barrel. This is a musket and the buttstock appears to have a sheet metal buttplate similar to many trade guns. It may have been shortened at some point. Nice early lock. Can you show us the other side where the side plate is?
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Trigger is that unique on guns of this age. Ornate triggers were all the rage on many early European firearms.
Hungry Horse
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Here is the other side as requested to response 1. And to the other response regarding the trigger, yes I was thinking French possibly, I’m not sure of their occupation in that area, but there is a Historic round barn less than a mile from our old farm, I think less than 10 surviving in the states, it’s very unique with an automated cattle servicing inner rock structure, and impressive woodwork roof support, ca 1600’s, I use to know the family that owned the farm 1960’s-70’s, polish potato farmers who relocated from Long Island, NY. I was told it was a of French Quaker origin.
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Cool musket! It appears to most likely be an American restocking of earlier Dutch parts with American and or English bits thrown in. The lock, partial buttplate, Trigger guard look like they were originally a dutch "Arsenal" gun of the type imported here during the French and Indian war (possibly the barrel too, but info is lacking). Parts from these show up at Fort Ligonier, and DE was a portion of PA at the time. The butt profile/shape is faithful to Dutch lines, but the tang carving and lack of carving on the lock panel is Anglo American. The trumpet pipe points to a ca. 1775 restocking being likely.
The Dutch parts would have originally looked like this
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4094/3219/prerevolutionary-war-dutch-type-ii-flintlock-musket (https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4094/3219/prerevolutionary-war-dutch-type-ii-flintlock-musket)
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Thank you very much for all the info it is greatly appreciated.
Cool musket! It appears to most likely be an American restocking of earlier Dutch parts with American and or English bits thrown in. The lock, partial buttplate, Trigger guard look like they were originally a dutch "Arsenal" gun of the type imported here during the French and Indian war (possibly the barrel too, but info is lacking). Parts from these show up at Fort Ligonier, and DE was a portion of PA at the time. The butt profile/shape is faithful to Dutch lines, but the tang carving and lack of carving on the lock panel is Anglo American. The trumpet pipe points to a ca. 1775 restocking being likely.
The Dutch parts would have originally looked like this
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4094/3219/prerevolutionary-war-dutch-type-ii-flintlock-musket (https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4094/3219/prerevolutionary-war-dutch-type-ii-flintlock-musket)
(https://i.ibb.co/sddwjh6C/grimm-ligonier-gun-parts.jpg) (https://ibb.co/211tqwsS)