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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: sdilts on July 18, 2025, 05:35:09 AM
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The fine folks at Buck Ridge Flintlocks are coming out with an English Gentlemen's Rifle kit. The lock is a new creation from Liston Rice based on a Manton. The buttplate, trigger guard, trigger assembly, folding leaf rear sight and ramrod pipes are all made by Liston. The barrel is a Rice 31" swamped fitted with their Manton hook breech. The rifle pictured is a 45 cal and weighs 6 lbs 8 oz. It will also be available in 50 and 54 cal. This should make a dandy hunting rifle. I made the rifle below from a blank because he didn't have his carving machine up and running yet. However, I also made the master for his carving machine and the pictured rifle is a duplicate of the master. He will have this on his table at Kempton and the CLA, so if you're at either of these, stop by and take a look.
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Looks great! Will this be similar to a Kibler kit in terms of the fit and finish of the pre-carved stock?
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This will be more on the lines of a Chambers kit than a Kibler.
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Very nice!
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Will the under rib be installed on the barrel ?
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Very nice any idea of the cost?
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Looks great, too bad it won't be available in at least a 58, I'd love to have one in a 62 but I'd probably settle for a 58. Any idea if there is enough meat on the barrel to bore it out?
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Looks great, too bad it won't be available in at least a 58, I'd love to have one in a 62 but I'd probably settle for a 58. Any idea if there is enough meat on the barrel to bore it out?
Agreed, 58, 62 and 66.
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Left hand model by any chance?
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Will the under rib be installed on the barrel ?
I'm not sure if he plans on installing the underrib. It is easy to solder on though.
Very nice any idea of the cost?
You will have to contact Buck Ridge for that.
Looks great, too bad it won't be available in at least a 58, I'd love to have one in a 62 but I'd probably settle for a 58. Any idea if there is enough meat on the barrel to bore it out?
Not enough meat for a 58. The barrel is only 3/4" at the nosecap.
Left hand model by any chance?
The lock is only available in right hand.
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Finally!A kit for an English styled rifle.I have thought about cobbling one together with a 1"x 34 58 caliber barrel and my version of a Ketland lock.My choice in 58 is because I still have a round ball mould I bought from E.M.Farris in 1953 for less than $5 new and it is a Lyman.
I hope you get many orders for this one.
Bob Roller
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Very nice. I ask about a lefty version as I built this "youth version" for smaller people. I have two left handed grandkids is why I ask.
The youth version I build is similar to the English, but not HC. I did make it a hook breech for easier cleaning and the barrel length is 30" with a LOP of 12.5" (IIRC). My version is also .45cal.
If you have time, can you post a pic of the buttplate?
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I’m assuming the stock is not pre-inletted. Also assuming it doesn’t have a cast off.
If that’s the case can it be acquired without the lock?
Thanks.
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Looking purty good.
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Very nice. I ask about a lefty version as I built this "youth version" for smaller people. I have two left handed grandkids is why I ask.
If you have time, can you post a pic of the buttplate?
Don't know why I didn't show a picture of the buttplate on the finished rifle. I no longer have the rifle, but here are some pics of the buttplate after filing of the rough casting. As you can see, there is a lug for capturing the tang by either drilling for a pin or filing a notch in it and securing it with a nail or woodscrew. I opted for the woodscrew.
I’m assuming the stock is not pre-inletted. Also assuming it doesn’t have a cast off.
If that’s the case, can it be acquired without the lock?
Thanks.
His plan is to have the stock pre-inletted. I would imagine that it could be had without inletting. There is no cast off. All parts will be available to purchase separately.
Steve
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Thank you very much. I can see much "time savings" on a build like this.
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For a left hand version I would think the L&R small Manton would be a good choice.A 3/4" atf barrel in 58 caliber would have a barrel has thickness of about .085.Hold it up to a strong light to make sure the load was seated. ;D. A 54 caliber version in my experience is a fine choice and with a tight ball and 120 grains of 3fg Swiss it is a real game getter. Gun maker Tom Nixin proved that more than once with his Hawken style caplock.
Bob Roller
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For a left hand version I would think the L&R small Manton would be a good choice.A 3/4" atf barrel in 58 caliber would have a barrel has thickness of about .085.Hold it up to a strong light to make sure the load was seated. ;D. A 54 caliber version in my experience is a fine choice and with a tight ball and 120 grains of 3fg Swiss it is a real game getter. Gun maker Tom Nixin proved that more than once with his Hawken style caplock.
Bob Roller
You're sort of reading my mind. Except I would go with a .45 Cal only because of limited recoil. Of course, a light load can be used on a .50 or .54 as well. The .45 cal on my rifle is a real joy to shoot.
The L&R Manton is what's on my "red" rifle in the pic. The difference between the Manton and the lock on the OP pic is the hammer on the OP's has a very elegant sweeping hammer which the flint screw comes in behind where the lower jaw is vs the "more standard" style of hammers. I'd really like to have the hammer from the OP's....but going with a lefty rules that out.
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I forgot to mention that the stop for the hammer is on the fence, not on the bolster.
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You did a stunning job on that rifle, sdilts.
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Thanks Daryl. I appreciate that.
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I was curious about the Rice barrel so I went on their website. Rice shows the English Sporting Rifle 31", breech 1.115". muzzle .960, and swamped in the middle. https://ricebarrels.com/product/english-sporting-rifle-31-1-66-square-or-radius-rifling-with-flared-plug/ (https://ricebarrels.com/product/english-sporting-rifle-31-1-66-square-or-radius-rifling-with-flared-plug/)
They do show calibers available at .50, .54, and .58. However, they do not show the barrel in a .45 caliber.
I also searched for a "Manton Hook Breech" just for my own education, but could not find any examples. I fabricated my last rifle's hook breech so I was curious if there were any differences.
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Steeltrap,
I'm not sure which barrel he used. I don't see a 1" breech with a 3/4" waist listed. I'll call Jason when he gets back from Kempton. It's got my curiosity up. As far as the hook breech, here's a link to his site. This is what I used.
https://ricebarrels.com/product/custom-1805-circa-john-manton/
Steve
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Any idea of the price of the kit
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Steve;
First, thanks for the link to the Manton breech plug. The description isn't clear that this consistent of two separate parts (Tang and separate Patent breech?). On the OP build I don't see a definitive "break" for a Manton style BP. Could be there and I just don't see it.
As for the barrel, again....looking at the Rice site the only other barrel I found that's 31" was a Jaeger Barrel--description is for TOTW--However the measurements are close, but the center is not .375. Then again, this barrel is offered from calibers of .45 all the way up to .62.
The first pic is the measurements of the barrel Rice list as "English Sporting".
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Any idea of the price of the kit
I don't know about the price. You'll have to check with Buck Ridge Flintlocks for that.
Steve;
First, thanks for the link to the Manton breech plug. The description isn't clear that this consistent of two separate parts (Tang and separate Patent breech?). On the OP build I don't see a definitive "break" for a Manton style BP. Could be there and I just don't see it.
The tang and breech plug fit really well. They actually snap together. No filing or adjusting required. Jason did a heck of a job making these.
When he gets back from Kempton, I'm going to check with Jason at Rice barrels to see if he made a custom barrel for this project.
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The finished gun is very attractive and handles well.
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Nice looking rifle. I'm probably showing my ignorance and lack of knowledge of the complete history of alot of the builds and/or styles from the 1700 to mid 1800 era flint and percussion rifles but the gun looks like a light weight Hawken rifle. Wondered when I first saw this posting if maybe this rifle or those like it could have been an inspiration to the Hawken Bros for their rifles.
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We have discussed this very topic prior to this. Yes, no, maybe, maybe not.
With the English guns, seems only the 1/2 stocked flinter had 2 barrel wedges. The later caplocks having shorter forend and only one wedge.
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Steve;
As for the barrel, again....looking at the Rice site the only other barrel I found that's 31" was a Jaeger Barrel--description is for TOTW--However the measurements are close, but the center is not .375. Then again, this barrel is offered from calibers of .45 all the way up to .62.
I talked to Jason today. The barrel that he used is a B weight version of the 31" Jaeger TOW barrel. It is not shown on his website. He said to subtract .062 from the C weight dimensions to get the B weight specs. It is offered up to 54 cal.
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Here's the Jaeger dimensions (various weights) of the 32" barrel.
I would think the 31" .45 would be available if you ask. Or (and blasphemous typing here) just use the 32" B weight as is....or cut off an inch. >:( ;D
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