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Title: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on July 20, 2025, 01:59:40 AM
I've seen a lot of beautiful southern mountain rifles here and thought I'd give one a shot.  Lots of folks here know far more than I about these, so please let me know what I should do better.   The wood came from Tom Fornicola, the barrel is a Rice A weight Dickert in .32, lock is Chambers Late Ketland.  Triggers are Davis, with the front trigger replaced with one I made.  I got the buttplate from Tip Curtis some years ago. The triggerguard is made from two different guards - I liked the bow of one and the grip rail of the other, so cut em apart and joined them.  Everything else was shop made.  I didn't copy any one rifle, but took inspiration from Randal Pierce's book, southern rifle drawings by Ron Borron, and lots of photos from this site.  Thanks for looking! 


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Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Bob Gerard on July 20, 2025, 02:05:13 AM
I’m no expert, but to me… “BAM”; outa the park!!! Beautiful 😍
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: rich pierce on July 20, 2025, 02:08:05 AM
Gotta be happy with that one! So nicely executed. Fit, finish, architecture.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: wattlebuster on July 20, 2025, 02:09:15 AM
I like it. Nice work
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: A.Merrill on July 20, 2025, 03:36:26 AM
You do very nice work.   Al
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: mountainman70 on July 20, 2025, 03:05:37 PM
I say Well done also.
I like Mr Randals book for reference when I build these sweet southern gals.
Great work, bro
Best regards
Dave F 8) 8)
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: reddogge on July 20, 2025, 04:05:31 PM
Very nice, neat job and represents the style of rifle perfectly. I like the copper front sight. How's it shoot?
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: TommyG on July 20, 2025, 05:25:44 PM
Wow!!  That's nice.  I'm no expert on Southern guns either, not even a novice, but I know great fit & finish when I see it.  Wonderful job!
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Robby on July 20, 2025, 07:48:16 PM
Very nicely done, all of it, good eye!
Robby
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on July 20, 2025, 11:42:39 PM
Thanks guys. It shoots well. I've only had a couple short sessions, my eyes are the limiting factor!  The copper sight was an experiment.  The silver and brass ones glow so bright in the sunlight I miss a lot, and always misplace my black marker.  It. works well in the light and the shade on lighter targets,  but wouldn't be very good on darker ones, for example a squirrel in a dense tree.  But we don't have any here and my shooting is paper or trail walk type.  Jury is still out I guess. 
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: JTR on July 20, 2025, 11:59:21 PM
That's a nice looking rifle and very nice workmanship!
John
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Daryl on July 21, 2025, 07:13:30 AM
Good job & well done.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Curtis on July 21, 2025, 09:11:29 AM
Nice Job Mike!!!  Can't find your splice on the trigger guard so GREAT WORK on that!  Beautiful rifle good sir!  In my limited experience, Tom Fornicola has some of the Very Best wood.

Curtis

P.S Nice eye concerning your engraving, BTW!!! 
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on July 21, 2025, 06:51:42 PM
Thanks Curtis!  The splice is where the bow meets the grip rail, riveted and brass brazed.  I thought that was how it would've originally been put together and it worked out OK. 


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Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: mgbruch on July 21, 2025, 10:09:13 PM
I like the southern guns too.  Very good workmanship and architecture!  Planning and execution, planning and execution!
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Marcruger on August 01, 2025, 12:23:08 PM
Beautiful work. I really appreciate that long tang.  Very appealing finishes as well.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Tony N on August 01, 2025, 01:56:45 PM
I really like this one!  Love the finishes
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: David Rase on August 01, 2025, 04:47:49 PM
Very nice.  Clean and tidy work.
David
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on August 01, 2025, 05:01:03 PM
Thanks!  Stain was iron nitrate with some Laurel Mt Lancaster stain after blushing.  This was my first try with Tried and True oil varnish, and I will use it again. I did just a bit of shading with bone black.  I originally intended to brown the metal, but like the contrast of the gray so went with that. Just Super Blue rubbed back.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: sevenhl on August 03, 2025, 04:35:09 PM
Excellent job. Can you elaborate on the metal finishing? Super Blue rubbed back.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Bob Roller on August 03, 2025, 05:01:07 PM
Way better workmanship than anything that came out of any pre 1900 shop.The Chambers Late Ketland was one of my favorites for a custom mechanism when I was working.
Bob Roller
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: B.Barker on August 03, 2025, 11:38:18 PM
Good looking rifle. I like how you modified the trigger guard.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Daryl on August 04, 2025, 12:04:17 AM
Beautifle Mike. Well done. Really like your colour and finish.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on August 04, 2025, 03:33:26 AM
Sevenhi, I degreased with acetone, then wiped on the blue with a patch. Once I had an even coat, rinsed with water and wiped it down with some gun oil, which darkens it some.  Then use a gray Scotchbrite or oooo steel wool, maroon works but it's more aggressive, and remove bluing until you like it.  If you leave some around non-wear areas it looks nice. If you take too much, just degrease and add more. As you handle it the bluing will wear, it isn't real robust.   

This is the first Late Ketland I've used - it is FAST!
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Austin on August 04, 2025, 04:12:39 AM
Really nice!
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: sevenhl on August 04, 2025, 04:28:18 AM
Sevenhi, I degreased with acetone, then wiped on the blue with a patch. Once I had an even coat, rinsed with water and wiped it down with some gun oil, which darkens it some.  Then use a gray Scotchbrite or oooo steel wool, maroon works but it's more aggressive, and remove bluing until you like it.  If you leave some around non-wear areas it looks nice. If you take too much, just degrease and add more. As you handle it the bluing will wear, it isn't real robust.   

This is the first Late Ketland I've used - it is FAST!
Thank You very much that will help me with finishing my SMR
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Wingshot on August 04, 2025, 05:36:11 PM
Beautifully executed! Graceful and slim, you can try taking a black sharpie on the post of the sight, it’ll help define it against a target, at least it helps me considerably. In the woods the shadows and light fluctuating can be tricky. Old eyes are hard to accommodate, that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Daryl on August 04, 2025, 05:47:03 PM
A dry-erase "sharpie" is very much better for dulling front sights than the permanent sharpie markers. The Dry-erase versions wipe off very easily, are jet black and non-shiny, like the
normal sharpies tend to be.
I used to use a standard sharpie/magic markers etc, and switched to the very much superior dry-erase type. The flat-black result is very much appreciated by those who use them.
Just trying to help.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: coopersdad on August 05, 2025, 01:57:56 AM
Daryl, I appreciate all the help I can get! I've been using black dry erase on my silver and brass sights, and my muzzles get the abrasive paper/thumb treatment for easy loading of my tight patch/ball combos - all have improved my shooting, so thanks!
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: HighUintas on August 05, 2025, 04:41:56 AM
Fantastic work. I don't know much about stylistic accuracy for southern guns, but I think I've got a bit of an eye for aesthetics and it sure is a beauty. I love it.
Title: Re: Finished a southern mountain rifle
Post by: Daryl on August 05, 2025, 05:42:11 AM
Daryl, I appreciate all the help I can get! I've been using black dry erase on my silver and brass sights, and my muzzles get the abrasive paper/thumb treatment for easy loading of my tight patch/ball combos - all have improved my shooting, so thanks!

You are most welcome, Mike. Glad to help - is why I'm here for the most part.
I pick up hints and techniques as well. I'm merely stating what has worked for me, many of the 'tricks' like the muzzle treatment
have been working for me in a VERY positive way since the mid 1970's.