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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: lew wetzel on June 27, 2008, 02:43:50 AM

Title: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on June 27, 2008, 02:43:50 AM

some pics of my war hawk and blades i use .like to see what some of you other fellas have.
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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on June 29, 2008, 03:05:37 AM

wow,nobody wants to show off thier hawks and blades...shame on you guys...

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Randy Hedden on June 29, 2008, 03:53:39 AM

I have some nice knives and a spike hawk, all custom made for me and representative  of the F&I period. It helps when one of your best friends is a knife and hawk maker. However, I don't have any pictures of them right at the moment. Maybe later??

Randy Hedden

www.harddogrifles.com

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Frank on June 30, 2008, 06:57:39 AM

I have a bunch. I just don't have the means to post pictures. :-[

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Paul D. Wannemacher on July 02, 2008, 04:45:17 AM

Like the others I have quite a few,Most of mine are BEAVERBILLS very well made and very resonably priced.  ;D Also like the others I have not figured how to post pictures.  :-[ Some day I'll learn  :P

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: albert on July 02, 2008, 07:09:15 AM

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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: albert on July 02, 2008, 07:14:36 AM

well,I tried to post photos,but I didn't do it right,hope you can open the link.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Buffler Razz on July 02, 2008, 01:59:02 PM

Here is my latest build and the one I am carrying to Rondy's. The blade is from an old wood water barrel ring and the scales are from some leftover osage that went into a bow.
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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 04, 2008, 12:31:20 AM

Here's a shot of my knife, and hawk. The hawk head is a George Ainsley, the rest is my work.
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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 04, 2008, 03:22:04 PM

lrb,nice set ya got there,really like the hawk.i have to do the handle of mine .ive been slacking.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Ken G on July 04, 2008, 04:14:25 PM

Wick,
I love the hawk.  Nice set.  What's the inlay on the back of the handle?
Ken

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 04, 2008, 09:18:08 PM

  Thanks Ken. It's a sterling wrist plate with my initial.
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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Robby on July 04, 2008, 09:51:24 PM

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Happy Fourth of July, God bless America.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 04, 2008, 11:07:32 PM

  Now I'm jealouse!  Beautiful hawk!!

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Leatherbelly on July 05, 2008, 11:48:58 AM

 Wick,
 I just love your knives! Do you use oil quench steel or water? I need a nice belly knife(scalper).

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 05, 2008, 02:11:37 PM

  I use an oil quench. With 01 there really is no choice other than salt baths. I will be looking into that down the road a bit. I like what I've read about the salts. No scale, no smoke, no smell, but very corrosive to any nearby metals.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 05, 2008, 03:41:58 PM

what kind of salt.and would it leave pitting.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 05, 2008, 05:34:01 PM

  From what I've read on the salts, they are a type of chemical salts, similar to bluing salts. No, no pitting. The heat treated blade is just a clean gray color, and the edge can be taken right down to finished thickness, ready to sharpen before heat treat. Absolutely no decarb either. The problem in my case is the set up cost. One day maybe. I am studying on it.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: FL-Flintlock on July 06, 2008, 05:51:18 PM

Salt quenching baths are quite common and purified salt is most often used for the base so as to establish a stable baseline, from there the bath can be varied for specific properties/results by adding other minerals/mineral salts to it - not much different than changing the alloy of a lead bath to adjust its properties.

O-1 is "O-Oil hardening", salt baths are not required but can be used.  As with anything else, the type of oil and additives/contaminants contained in it will adjust the resultant properties of the quench bath.  Like any other quenching bath, the combinations are nearly endless and the results of quenching will be directly affected by the properties of the bath - new oil is not going to produce the same results as used oil the same as the results using heat transfer oil will be considerably different than those using mineral gear oil.  One word of caution, if you're heating your oil bath, too hot and it can erupt with a violent explosion when the hot iron goes into it.

Quenching baths should not be confused with pickling or tempering baths, three separate and totally different operations however, it is often possible to produce a combination pickling/tempering bath so as to accomplish both operations at the same time.  The melting point of relatively pure sodium chloride is around 1474°F, boiling point 2670°F.

The raise to temperature and hold times also have a considerable affect on the results - just getting the steel into the austenitic range is not enough, some alloys require defined raise & hold temps and times to achieve the desired results.  A rapid response surface contact thermocouple will help eliminate a lot of error and blind guessing.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: S.Willis on July 08, 2008, 05:29:49 AM

Those are some really nice Hawks and blades

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Tim Crosby on July 08, 2008, 04:44:03 PM

 Robby where did you get that hawk head from. The finished product looks great
but I really like that head style.

Thanks, Tim C.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Robby on July 08, 2008, 05:19:56 PM

Tim, I got that head from track of the wolf. If I remember right, it is called an English pattern. I did some modifications, like flattening the bowl and filing. Thanks
                                                                 Robby

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: Tim Crosby on July 09, 2008, 02:11:02 AM

 I have used tham before but from Davis, I like your mods.

 Tim C.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LURCHWV@BJS on July 10, 2008, 03:22:59 AM

I Have no knivesor hawks...YET.  Just as soon as I can find an anvil though I plan to do the best I can to make some. Have line on 3 anvils and found blacksmith close enough to call upon for tutorials.

                   Rich

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 13, 2008, 06:37:51 AM

lurch,ball pean hammers are great for forging hawks.good steel and just the right weight.my war hawk was forged from a hammer.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LURCHWV@BJS on July 13, 2008, 01:31:47 PM

Cool,  Went to an aution saturday,  picked up small anvil and a box of ball pein hammers .  Going to fire up the forge after church.

           Thanx Rich

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 13, 2008, 04:46:32 PM

lurch,i will take some closeups of my war hawk and post them .cant wait to hear how your doing on turning b.p hammers into hawks.....

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LURCHWV@BJS on July 15, 2008, 06:02:42 AM

Fired up the forge to see how well it worked.  Placsd acouple pieces of iron into the coals... The iron melted...  Finally figured out when tp pull iron out to hammer with the help of my wife.(she grew up on a farm)  Seem to have trouble getting two pieces to fuse together but will keep trying.  Will try b,p hammer this weekend.



    Rich

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: FL-Flintlock on July 15, 2008, 06:47:39 AM

Quote from: LURCHWV@BJS on July 15, 2008, 06:02:42 AM

Seem to have trouble getting two pieces to fuse together but will keep trying.  Will try b,p hammer this weekend.

    Rich

Clean, flux, heat & beat.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: nthe10ring on July 15, 2008, 07:03:35 AM

Nice set wick. I like your work.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: S.Willis on July 17, 2008, 04:09:12 AM

Here's a couple Ball Peen hammers I converted

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Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 17, 2008, 04:21:00 AM

looks alot like mine,got it off ebay two years ago!!!!are you making them to sell..you do nice work!!!

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: S.Willis on July 17, 2008, 06:00:39 AM

I sold all of mine on ebay up until about 6 months ago

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: lew wetzel on July 17, 2008, 07:27:06 AM

i will post a better pic of it.probably got ot off you.look at the first post on this thread,there is a not so good pic of it.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LRB on July 17, 2008, 01:38:40 PM

 Super fine Stewart.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: S.Willis on July 17, 2008, 01:43:20 PM

Thanks Wick.  Lew yours is from one of the other guys. I can't remember his name, I think he is out of Missouri.

Title: Re: hawk and blades
Post by: LURCHWV@BJS on July 17, 2008, 04:39:06 PM

     FLUX?????  Please tell me more.  Right now  All I know is heat and beat