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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: louieparker on September 28, 2011, 01:37:31 AM
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Have you ever been to this junk store ? At this particular moment it was a rather exciting place to be .....
I realize the photo is rather poor, but who do you think the maker is ?? LP
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Surely not a Jacob Dickert?????? Wish the junk shop I frequent would have one of whatever it is!
Dennis
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I'm thinking Berks county but thats all I got'.
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I'm just looking at the photo and you're making me CRAZY!! ;D ;D
More my good man... MORE!!
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Pleas tell us you bought it... If you didn't or your not tell us where it is. Someone needs to rescue it soon ;D
Rich
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Doggone Louie, I set that gun down one day, and forgot where I put it!
I'm so glad you've found it, and suspect you'll be sending it on, huh?
John ;D
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I just gotta get out more! I'm guessing It was made close to the Reading area or in your basement. JIM
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Hey, whoever the builder was, they plagerized my current builds carving!
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The carving sure looks Lancaster-ish; A Albrecht, Dickert, Graef,,, but the comb line seems to say something different. Or maybe it's just the picture.
Whatever, it's for sure a fine rifle!!
John
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Dagnabit Louie, quit teasing. We want details!!! :o
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Louie, You have fallen off another Christmas Tree !! Hope you didn't hurt yourself. HIB
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Oh man, every time I'm sitting in a boring meeting, this is the kind of stuff I fantasize about (when I was younger it used to be women)! The picture isn't the best, what is it Louie?
FK
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OK, friend Louie, you've got a crowd standing by for more information and pictures. . . . In the meanwhile, I think I'll hit the local junk stores today.
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Trade ya my best two hot wheels, signed Roberto Clemente rookie card and pet frog for it. HA
Lucky Lucky. Can't wait to see it cleaned up.
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Nice! One mans junk sure is another ones treasure. More pics?
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Ha! You can't fool me, that's just an old CVA kit Allen Martin, or E. Kettinburg practiced antiquating on. ;D More pic's and info, purdy please.
Bill
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Louie's got you drooling. He's going to make you wait, I bet! :D
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I thought this post might drag out a few collectors and dreamers .. FK , seems like I have a very vague remembrance of that type fantasy, but at this point I am really not sure ?
As JTR said the photo is a bit deceiving .. Yes the comb line looks like Berks County . In real life , not so much ..Dennis said Jacob Dickert ?? JTR thought Lancaster and gave a few possibilities ..They both had it part right ..The rifle is actually one of Jacob Metzgers earilyer Lancaster guns , with a daisy type patch box , signed bbl. never shortened and the wood does goes all the way to the end ..Yes, arrangements were made to put this rifle in a relocation program .
As for the hot wheels trade , I will have to keep that offer from my grandson !! Sorry but I have no photos at this time ..My wife will take them and it will be at her pleasure, if you know what I mean ... LP
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Beautiful rifle. Do you think this was made while he was in Lancaster or Maryland?
His work really does look to be in a stylstic transition between the Lancaster smiths and the stuff made south of Maryland, in the Shenandoah Valley. That "soft" comb line like you see on some Virginia guns - not severe, just slightly radiused.
Guy
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Guy..... I certainly can't say for sure , all I have is an opinion and that is, it was made in Lancaster .. The comb is not competely straight,it does have a very slight curve .. but the photo is a bit deceiving, the comb about where it's hid behind the wrist has an angle change that goes to the wrist .Also the angle the rifle is laying gives it a slight roman nose look ..I have seen two of his rifles that I felt were made in Lancaster . This one and one that I felt was a bit earlier ...Most of his later pieces that I have seen have no or very little resemblance to these two rifles .
On the other hand , on one told these guys that when they left a certain County , say Lancaster, that they should quit making rifles that looked like Lancaster .. Had they known how confusing this made it for us I bet they would have done different .......LP
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Louie,
I want to know what your secret is for finding these gems. You seem to have figured out the secret! Contratulations!
Jim
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Wow Louie, what a find!!!
I don't think I would have considered Metzger, but the carving is very similar to that shown in Hartzler and Whiskers Maryland Longrifles book on page 54.
Is the patchbox similar to the oine shown on page 53?
Sweet rifle :o
John
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As JTR said the photo is a bit deceiving .. Yes the comb line looks like Berks County . In real life , not so much ..Dennis said Jacob Dickert ?? JTR thought Lancaster and gave a few possibilities ..They both had it part right ..The rifle is actually one of Jacob Metzgers earilyer Lancaster guns , with a daisy type patch box , signed bbl. never shortened and the wood does goes all the way to the end ..Yes, arrangements were made to put this rifle in a relocation program
Actually I started to ask if it was a Metzger but decided it was closer to a Dickert should have stuck with Metzger but either one was a guess ;D
Dennis
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Can't wait to see some photo's. ;) ;D
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Louie,
Congrats! Great find.
Buck
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Wow Louie, what a find!!!
I don't think I would have considered Metzger, but the carving is very similar to that shown in Hartzler and Whiskers Maryland Longrifles book on page 54.
Is the patchbox similar to the oine shown on page 53?
Sweet rifle :o
John
John.....I can't answer that question ..Thought I had the book but don't ..... LP
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John,
Page 53 has a set of pistols by Anton Escherich. The Metzger rifle is on 112 and the carving is similar along with the shape of the stock.
Buck
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On the other hand , on one told these guys that when they left a certain County , say Lancaster, that they should quit making rifles that looked like Lancaster .. Had they known how confusing this made it for us I bet they would have done different .......LP
ohhh, I think they knew alright...hee heee...
nice find Louie...
TC
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On the other hand , on one told these guys that when they left a certain County , say Lancaster, that they should quit making rifles that looked like Lancaster .. Had they known how confusing this made it for us I bet they would have done different .......LP
ohhh, I think they knew alright...hee heee...(just kidding)
nice find Louie...
TC
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I have always avoided trying to date a rifle, but I guess in this case I have attempted to do just that by attributing this rifle to Lancaster Co. That would mean it was made in 1788 or before, when Metzger is thought to have left that county. Kindig thinks Metzger's rifle pictured in his book could easily have been made during the revolution. I really doubt that that rifle is any earlier than this one and they could both be Maryland rifles. What do you think? The bbl. on this rifle is 45 5/16 and about 48 cal with only a faint sign of rifling at the muzzle. It's made without a toe plate. Louie
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I sort of screwed up that last post , sorry about that , Have to figure out what all I did wrong ...LP
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Looks fine to me.... ;D since I fixed it, LOL.
I try to put a "return" between the image URLs. If just a space thay all stack up weird.
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Rich , thanks ..I thought some sort of miracle had occurred ..But my wife suggested a watchful web master ...LP
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What a great find. Can't wait till you bring it to a show!
Van
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Oh man Louie, what a fine rifle! I agree that this is a very early Metzger and most likely made in Lancaster County, I've seen and handled a good number of Metzgers, and this one doesn't look like the ones he made in Maryland.
Frank Kobilis
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Louie,
Great rifle, I am by far not an expert, but it looks Lancaster to me. Nice find, I hope to see it and yourself in Feb. at the prarie show.
Be well.
Buck