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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: gizamo on July 18, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
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My attraction to this gunne.. ;D
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Giz
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Giz- It's simple. You are a hopeless gun nut--but you have excellent taste. Welcome to the club!
Dan
giz
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Man that's a dandy !!! 2 in one blunderbuss & war club. Plus that pot is alright it's self......I could use one a those.
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I like it. Wish I had one just like it.
Not many like it to be seen on forums or blogs.
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I like it. Wish I had one just like it.
Not many like it to be seen on forums or blogs.
Ken Netting gun on the Blog...
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2013/06/ken-netting-canoe-gun.html?m=1
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gizamo do you know if there are any makers who make one like yours for sale. I like it because its different in that you don't see one everyday.
I can see why you are addicted to yours.
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giz, did Ken Netting build yours? I saw the one on the CLA blogspot mentioned above and knew that he is building them. Seems there are others starting to build them, either for themselves or to sell. I understand where you are coming from--there is just something novel (different) that we haven't seen much of before now--at least I haven't. And I like them a lot !! Thanks for posting.
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Ken Netting? I wish, next time...;D
I am actually super happy with mine. I like simple. This gun sold at the Ancient Ones show this Winter. George Sutton had it on his table. It was made by Nolan.
Giz
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This is the muzzleloading equivalent to a spiked orange mohawk. Its eye catching, and interesting. But its useless, and without historical documentation. I have to see the usefulness of a new muzzleloader before I purchase it. This doesn't fit in any category I can think of. I try to stay away from anything that is likely to produce serious recoil, that also has a blade on the operators end.
Hungry Horse
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gizamo, I've never seen a gun like that. What are those three, brass looking studs standing proud on the comb?
Robby
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^^^^^^
Skull Crushers! ;D
That's a cool looking gunne!
John
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In June, 1763, as a part of the larger Pontiac's War, a group of Ojibwa (some sources indicate that they were also joined by some Sauk), gathered outside of Fort Michilimackinac and started to play a game of lacrosse (baaga'adowe). A crowd quickly gathered to watch the fast-paced, spirited game. As the crowd watched the game, several women with guns under their blankets wandered into the fort. The lacrosse ball was sent soaring toward the gate and the Indian players followed it, and then rushed into the fort. Taking the guns from the women, the Indians quickly killed and/or captured the British soldiers. The French-Canadians at the Fort were not molested.
The Indians held onto the fort for a year before the British regained it. In regaining the fort, the British promised to offer more and better gifts to the Indians.
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That thing is actually finished nicely, not really sure what it is. Sure hope he didn't waste a good lock on it. Might be good
for shooting on New Years eve, or starting races...........Don
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It might have one of your barrels, cut off at the wedding band... ;D ;D ;D
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Heck, I'd rather have a gunne like that than a pistol. It's beautiful, make a good canoe gunne.
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Yep, I'll bet you could kill a lot of those dastardly canoes with one of those...
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Nah, Use it for water-fowl, better yet, alligators and snakes!
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Brings to mind those pistol-knife-brass knuckles devices. I have a couple of Swiss army knives that seemed like a good idea at the time too.
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Yep, I'll bet you could kill a lot of those dastardly canoes with one of those...
Well Mike I was thinking more along the line of when those suicide rabbits got after Jimmy Carter that time. But, yeah, you never know when a canoe will turn on ya.
dp
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Which type blanket would be period correct to hide such a gun...whilst out hunting canoes? ;D
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I wasn't paying attention at first, but just noticed... is that a blade sticking out the bottom near the toe?
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Yes,
Triangular shaped....but square edged.
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I remember seeing these guns at Friendship in the late 70's/early 80's, and as a teenager I thought they were really, really cool. Now Friendship documentation on these was that there was one of these dug up from an Indian grave, but no one could ever produce a name of who the current owner or the digger were........
So fast forward to early 2010 and there was a discussion about this type of gun on another, frontier oriented discussion board ;D, and someone said that in fact the original was in the Smithsonian. For many that simple statement is enough. But being the person that I am, I tracked down the names and telephone numbers of the Smithsonian curators who might have an artifact of this type in their collections. I spoke with a number of folks there, and lo and behold there is a gun of this type there, but it was donated anonymously , and after testing was determined to have been made in the late 20th Century :o
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Uh huh. There you go. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I remember seeing these guns at Friendship in the late 70's/early 80's, and as a teenager I thought they were really, really cool. Now Friendship documentation on these was that there was one of these dug up from an Indian grave, but no one could ever produce a name of who the current owner or the digger were........
So fast forward to early 2010 and there was a discussion about this type of gun on another, frontier oriented discussion board ;D, and someone said that in fact the original was in the Smithsonian. For many that simple statement is enough. But being the person that I am, I tracked down the names and telephone numbers of the Smithsonian curators who might have an artifact of this type in their collections. I spoke with a number of folks there, and lo and behold there is a gun of this type there, but it ;D was donated anonymously , and after testing was determined to have been made in the late 20th Century :o
Luke....
That seals the deal for me!
It is the perfect backup gun for my Canoe Gun... ;D ;D
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Giz, you are a sick puppy, that's why you like that gun ;) welcome to the club! :o
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so these are complete fantasy guns?
neat fantasy.
_ken netting_ from blog:
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No, not at all Wade... as mentioned one is in the Smithsonian collection and one was dug up from an indian grave somewhere at some time by someone who never reported the find at Friendship. Make one of those and put it under a blanket in your canoe, if the canoe gets cranky shoot that sucker in the bow, or the stern, how about somewhere below the waterline then.
Its a win win win situation. 8)
dp
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I want one.......But durn I'd hate to shoot my canoe.
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If you are going to make a blanket gun that might have been, way back when, then why not make the stock a ball head war club, instead of putting cutting edges, and very snag likely studs in the butt. The gun shown is ridiculous. IMO, of course.
Hungry Horse
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Luke's post above says that the Smithsonian gun was a Contemporary as i read it.
But anyway.
Well, I'd like a big pistol...why not a shrunken smoothie? It'd be for close quarters, faster than a reload and yes, smoothed down to be less dangerous to my posse (of k9's).
But i have more conventional things to focus on for a while... ::)
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The ones I see pictured here are pure fantasy as near as I can tell.
There are a lot of cut off trade guns, either from the need to hide them or the barrel bursting.
There is/was one in the Museum at Mammoth in YNP that is cut off just behind the break of the comb and the barrel maybe 12". Still has its rear barrel sight. But it looks little like those shown here.
People invent a wide range of things that turn up at various "Rondevoos" and re-enactments then try to justify them to a time period. Many are of little practical use this encompasses a lot of things that people make because the look cool but if they had to actually USE them they would be found wanting in one way or another be is a knife or a firearm or whatever.
Pistols with barrels over about 8-9" are just a PITA from my perspective. Under 6-7 they loose a lot of velocity.
There were long barreled "bear pistols" used to hunt bears with dogs in the southeast I am told 10-12" or so. Much easier to handle than a rifle with the dogs and the range was short.
Dan
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an aside y'all
Yes Dan, if i can't do it with 6 inches of bbl, it likely can't be done (inside of 35 yards). and sometimes they just makes what they think might sell. ;) If i do one like that, it'll be a compilation of scraps. cheers
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A friend of mine found this at the Las Vegas gun show and brought it back to Va.
I traded him out of it.
I would like to know how many of these guns were built by Ken.
Great conversation piece. I have no idea what one of these guns would be worth. I guess what a person is willing to give.
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About four bucks, cash money. IMO.
Hungry Horse
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I like it simply because it's weird. I've visited several museums and odd stuff like this is often displayed. As an 18th century fighting weapon, you only have one shot; but the club part never runs out of ammo. I can visualize an Indian or even a frontiersman picking up a broken gun and making a war club from it. Maybe later he figures a lock and barrel would make it perfect. Problem is, when one swings the club the muzzle is pointed....guess where?
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If you think about how many antique guns you have seen with a broken stock, usually at the wrist, it becomes quite apparent that guns usually make a pretty poor club. One should also take into consideration what the likelihood would be of these frontiersmen having the skills, or tools, to fit up a gun from just random parts. I think although examples of weird weaponry exist, we only have the age of the original gun to supply the approximate time period. I suspect many of these oddball weapons were generated many, many, years after the rifle was made, and possibly even into the twentieth century. few of these weapons show the kind of war damage one would expect.
Hungry Horse
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Thinking back, these were great! Unlike the old westerns when your six shooter ran out you would have to throw it at the bad guy. When Black Bart giggled at you after missing him with your one shot from one of these, you could beat him in a fight with your 14" reach advantage:)
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JRmack
If you remember back in the 1950's being period correct you could get maybe 12 shots out of your 6 shooter. Never seemed to run out of bullets.
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Luke,
Thanks for researching and providing the info on the origin of this type of weapon. I have wondered about it ever since I first saw one. Seems relatively safe now to remove it from the "bucket list".
Doc S.
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Iloco,
Ken has built a number of these "toys" and they show up for sale periodically. The first one was on a lark and when people saw it they had to have one. I don't know that he's built any for a while or that he has any in the shop.
Mark
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I like it simply because it's weird. I've visited several museums and odd stuff like this is often displayed. As an 18th century fighting weapon, you only have one shot; but the club part never runs out of ammo. I can visualize an Indian or even a frontiersman picking up a broken gun and making a war club from it. Maybe later he figures a lock and barrel would make it perfect. Problem is, when one swings the club the muzzle is pointed....guess where?
I know that everyone doesn't fit into this pattern but usually the gun would be fired before using it as a club. If the enemy is close enough to need a club what have you got to loose.
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Yes this gun an canine guns are say not historically correct. But how many of us at a rendezvous has been aproased by an been told one or two of our items are not correct. All the there telling us. Their wearing there wrist watches an tennis shoes.Go figure!
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Got to admit it might not be historically correct. But it is neat as h..l.One thing about it like my canoe gun. The deer an grouse don't know it's not correct when they go in the stew pot!