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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: RonC on August 26, 2014, 07:25:08 PM
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I did a search using "peep" sight to find a way to make my own and not have to permanently modify the current rifle, but was not successful.
I have an Ohio/Vincent style rifle in 45 cal. I can shoot great groups at 50 yards, but with my 67 year old eyes (with cataracts), I have trouble putting the group in the center of the target. The semi-buckeye rear sight really doesn't help me to center the sight on the target.
So, I thought about adding a peep sight.
Some ideas: I have a small rt-angle bracket with mounting holes and could solder it to the current rear sight. I found a very small metal plate with a small hole in it. Perhaps it can be soldered to the buckeye sight. I can drill a small hole in a razor and solder it on to the buckeye.
Any comments of ideas will be greatly appreciated.
Ron
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Ron,
It would seem that if you can't center your group with the current sights that using them as a base for a peep sight wouldn't work either. I presume you tried moving your rear sight or filing your front? You might be better off trying one of the many tang sights that are available. Putting a peep as far forward as your current rear sight is will make it hard to see properly.
Mark
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Nice rifle - did you make it?
Here is a sight I made for my target rifle many years back when my eyes started to go down hill. You might try something similar. I made different size apertures for different light conditions. The base is threaded to accept the apertures.
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Drill a hole in the tang and make a lollipop peep sight for it. That would be traditional for that type of rifle.
Centershot
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Thank you for the tips!
The rifle is sighted in well with the current sights, but I find it difficult to see if the sights are centered on the target. There seems to be too much space in the center of the rear sight to let me gauge if the target is centered well.
I did not build the rifle.This rifle was started years ago by a NY State gunsmith by the name of James Tawney who was very well known as a high quality builder of guns. The rifle began as a full custom assemblage of parts for a customer and never finished. Now fast forward 20 ish years. The specs:
.45 cal Ohio style rifle.
The barrel, by Ed Rayl (I think) is a very heavy 15/16 diam 32" long, has 7 lands and grooves.
The lock is marked DGW? (Dixie Gun Works) and is the traditional flat mainspring.
The stock is from a piece of either claro...or bastogne walnut. It has a double set trigger marked "Roller 83" ( I have no idea about it) with a nice crisp release. All the hardware is nickel silver,with some nice inlay in the nose cap.
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I knew Jim Tawney and made locks and triggers for him. The lock on that rifle may be one of mine or maybe not. The "Roller 83"is more than likely my set triggers. Jim as I recall lived in Corning New York and worked at a glass ware factory there. I believe he is deceased but don't remember when.
Bob Roller
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Wow!
Thank you for that information. I purchased the rifle from a fellow in Corning, NY.
Now, the Roller 83 makes sense and plugs a hole in my knowledge about the rifle.
This is a photo of the rifle as it was being finished:
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Ron
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Merit makes a sight disc that goes on your glasses. Has an adjustable aperture. No rifle mods needed. Probably wouldn't work for hunting but OK for the range.
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Have you ever tried a simple shallow "V" rear sight ? Very easy to use, even with my 61 year old eyes.
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Merit makes a sight disc that goes on your glasses. Has an adjustable aperture. No rifle mods needed. Probably wouldn't work for hunting but OK for the range.
Another vote for the Merit. That there is a beautiful rifle..!!
I've put a couple of different "peep" type sights on both of my muzzleloaders, only to eventually remove them.
There's a really wide variety of sight combination you can try before resorting to doing anything (permanent) to your rifle. I've found my 64 yr old eyes like a pretty broad patridge front blade with a clean notch rear that "just fits", if that's a proper description of the visual relationship when I'm lined up on my target.
When shooting for the ultimate precision, such as working up loads from the bench...I add the Merit.
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Lyman also sells an optical aid that goes right on your glasses, it works and isnt very expensive.
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I would do a search online for Percussion target rifles... You will get some really interesting ideas on what was done back in the day. The Log Cabin Shop in Lodi Ohio also has a pretty good collection of target rifles with really nifty target sights.
https://www.google.com/search?q=percussion+target+rifle&safe=active&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Atj9U9exD-bIsASj6YCABQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=839
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I have the Merit vision aid with the adjustable aperture and have used it with handguns. Until you helpful folks brought it up, I never thought to use it for my muzzleloaders. I am going to try it as soon as I can get to the range.
Thank you!
Ron
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Being a combination of poor and cheap let me suggest another aid to your sight dilemma. Take a piece of brass shim stock. Drill a 1/16" hole near the bottom of a 1/2" wide strip. Place this on your glasses while looking through the hole. When you have it in the proper position to see the target clearly fold the top over your glasses and trim to size. Voila!, a aperture sight that works as good as the Merit but costs far less and is easily replaced or modified. NOT knocking merit, just offering another answer to your problem that has been around for years. ;)
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I have done the same thing with black electrical tape. I used the head of a finishing nail to punch the hole and stuck the tape on my glasses.
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Being a combination of poor and cheap let me suggest another aid to your sight dilemma. Take a piece of brass shim stock. Drill a 1/16" hole near the bottom of a 1/2" wide strip. Place this on your glasses while looking through the hole. When you have it in the proper position to see the target clearly fold the top over your glasses and trim to size. Voila!, a aperture sight that works as good as the Merit but costs far less and is easily replaced or modified. NOT knocking merit, just offering another answer to your problem that has been around for years. ;)
I gonna try this brass shim getup. I sometimes use a small square of electrical tape with a 1/16" hole punched in it and slapped on the lens of my glasses and it does help. This sounds mo better, and a lot less messy.
dp
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These recommendations are useful not only for this percussion rifle, but for my primary shooters - flintlock long rifles.
Ron
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beware the shim stock idea. that was great when the lenses were glass.i know of half dozen different guys over the years made them up to save the cost of merit only to ruin their plastic lens glasses .after you replace your lineless lens with all the fancy treating the merit is cheaper.by the way - I am one of the dumb bunnys that did it
dag
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I have often thought of getting one of the merits , but most of the ranges I go to for matches do not allow them. no sighting aids.
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Tell them they just want to see who has the youngest eyes, not who is the best shot. At the Texas MLRA folks over 60 can shoot aperture in any agg.
TC
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I agree! Is it a shooting or a vision competition? I use a 3/8" disc of black electrical tape with a 1/16" hole in the centre, stuck onto my shooting glasses. It enables me to see the top edge of my rear sight more clearly, and as a consequence, all my rifles now are shooting high. That tells me how poorly I was seeing my rear sight prior to the vision enhancer.
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I put one of these on a rifle for a friend. It was suprising how much it cleared up the sight picture.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/881/1/RS-CA-PEEP-14
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Here is a sight called a closed buckhorn on an original muzzleloader in a museum in Des Moines, Iowa. I saw the same kind of sight on a Hawken in the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial museum in St. Louis. It looked like a 1/4" flat washer soldered in the horns of a buckhorn sight.
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This sight, copied from an original by Taylor, is used as a peep sight on this rifle and is sighted for 200yards.
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Very interesting looking sight!
I think I could rig some thing like that pretty easily.
Ron
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Doc Carlson at Upper Missouri Trading Post, Croft, Nebraska, has that sight. I bought one from him two years ago.
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I agree! Is it a shooting or a vision competition? I use a 3/8" disc of black electrical tape with a 1/16" hole in the centre, stuck onto my shooting glasses. It enables me to see the top edge of my rear sight more clearly, and as a consequence, all my rifles now are shooting high. That tells me how poorly I was seeing my rear sight prior to the vision enhancer.
Interesting- That I shot low with your sights prior to you using the disk, shows I buried the blade further than you. Guess the very top of all the fuzz is actually the top of the rear sight.
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This one, will and does work well for many shooters.
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I have modified my standard buckhorn sight to reflect the design above. It is a little cluttered, but enhances the sighting experience:
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:D ;D
Ron