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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Avlrc on April 24, 2016, 08:56:46 PM

Title: Date of this lock
Post by: Avlrc on April 24, 2016, 08:56:46 PM

When was this style flint used?
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1370.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag259%2Favlrc1774%2Flock%2520008_zps16zf5emc.jpg&hash=2919e325ce8ee562591f9ddc2fc8cd59c4ce6c78) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/avlrc1774/media/lock%20008_zps16zf5emc.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Shreckmeister on April 24, 2016, 09:51:28 PM

Looks 1800 to me but others know more. I think the rest of that rifles probably pretty interesting are you going to show it to us

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Feltwad on April 24, 2016, 10:03:31 PM

An English lock of the period 1800-1810 with a water proof pan , a roller frizzen spring used by top London makers of the period.
Feltwad

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Bob Roller on April 25, 2016, 12:18:01 AM

This is a lock made for the "trade" and NOT a top of the line lock
even with the roller frizzen spring.

Bob Roller

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Tanselman on April 25, 2016, 01:44:04 AM

I realize lock styles were used earlier in Great Britain than over here...but with Kentucky (state of)-made rifles, when I see a civilian flat tailed lock with double throat cock, it's usually a later flint rifle after 1820-1825. Shelby Gallien

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Mike Brooks on April 25, 2016, 06:43:20 PM

Quote from: Tanselman on April 25, 2016, 01:44:04 AM

I realize lock styles were used earlier in Great Britain than over here...but with Kentucky (state of)-made rifles, when I see a civilian flat tailed lock with double throat cock, it's usually a later flint rifle after 1820-1825. Shelby Gallien

I agree.

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Avlrc on April 25, 2016, 08:57:12 PM

Thanks for the info. I am still researching the rifle & maker, but from recent findings I think the rifle was made about 1827-35. Will post pictures in a few weeks.

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Ky-Flinter on April 26, 2016, 02:52:27 AM

Quote from: Bob Roller on April 25, 2016, 12:18:01 AM

This is a lock made for the "trade" and NOT a top of the line lock
even with the roller frizzen spring.

Bob Roller

Hi Bob,

I'm curious what you noticed in the picture to determine this lock was made for the "trade".  Thanks.

-Ron

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: rich pierce on April 26, 2016, 04:23:28 AM

Engraving looks to be ordinary trade quality.  The cock is not very elegant and lacks engraving. Higher end locks might have a sliding safety.

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Bob Roller on April 26, 2016, 01:08:23 PM

Quote from: Ky-Flinter on April 26, 2016, 02:52:27 AM

Quote from: Bob Roller on April 25, 2016, 12:18:01 AM

This is a lock made for the "trade" and NOT a top of the line lock
even with the roller frizzen spring.

Bob Roller

Hi Bob,

I'm curious what you noticed in the picture to determine this lock was made for the "trade".  Thanks.

-Ron

Ron,
I can usually look at the screw pattern on the plate and the high quality locks frequently have a
different pattern indicating a fancy bridle. This is a predominant feature on English caplocks with
a 4 screw bridle plus an axle for the sear and another screw for the sear spring. Look at the picture
Art Fleener posted of his new match rifle.
The flintlock recently shown I made in 1978 is an example of a common lock with good workmanship
and with proper care should work for another 38 years.

Bob Roller

Title: Re: Date of this lock
Post by: Ky-Flinter on April 26, 2016, 08:18:43 PM

Thanks Rich and Bob.  I'm always trying to learn.

-Ron