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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: Musclenut on September 12, 2016, 04:23:42 PM
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A coworker sent me pictures of a flintlock in his family. I'm trying to identify it. The lock looks like a ketland but is stamped louisville. Dose anyone know what this lock is? I would post pics if I could! Thanks!
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This sounds like an antique muzzleloader and the information is more likely be found in that section of the forum. I personally have never seen a lock marked like this.
Hungry Horse
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I have seen several Louisville Ky made rifles. So far none have been flint. All half stocked percussion. I forget the names that I once found as gunmakers here.
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A gunsmith named Foster made guns there in the 1850's.
Hungry Horse
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http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah197/Stgaddie/Mobile%20Uploads/20160910_140838_zpsxcsxfcka.jpg
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You've peaked my interest. I got pictures!
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Not knowing any better, I would say the fellow who made the rifle made the lock. Probably in the 1960s or there abouts... LP
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Your rifle has the look of a Royland Southgate made gun. (Contemporary) He was from Tennnessee
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Did Royland make his own locks? I think the lock is nicer than the rest of the gun, as far as build quality and styling goes though, and it might be by a different hand than the rest of the gun. Unless of the course the guy was a good metal worker and not so much on wood. That happens. Cock and frizzen are nicely filed, but the tail end of the lock plate is a bit truncated. Screws are definitely modern and machine made on the lock. Interesting gun nonetheless!
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Did Royland make his own locks? I think the lock is nicer than the rest of the gun, as far as build quality and styling goes though, and it might be by a different hand than the rest of the gun. Unless of the course the guy was a good metal worker and not so much on wood. That happens. Cock and frizzen are nicely filed, but the tail end of the lock plate is a bit truncated. Screws are definitely modern and machine made on the lock. Interesting gun nonetheless!
I think that lock is a refilled Dixie Gun Works lock from the mid 1950's.
I remember that frizzen spring from my 1958 summer of working there.
Bob Roller
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I agree with Louie, this gun looks like it was made in the 1950's or 1960's.
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Southgate rarely if ever refiled the old Dixie F1 flintlocks he used so much. Look at the size of this lock, it tiny, most likely a repurposed antique pistol lock. This is definately an early replica. It looks almost cartoonish in its style.
Hungry Horse
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I new this rifle was a contemporary rifle. But the lock threw me. I honestly expected someone to say, "Yea Dixie made a bunch of louisville stamped locks back in the day." To bad the inletting is so bad. It would be a nice early contemporary rifle.
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Southgate normally signed his rifles on the top flat. Earlier were engraved, later on he had a stamp, also in script. Top flat near breach he stamped a serial number, sometimes hard to read in photographs.
If you might have photos of any barrel engraving, should they be Southgate I'd like to include them in a booklet I have/am writing on Royland Southgate.
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Royland did some restoration, too. My full stocked flint Moll swivel rifle, which I thought had its original fore stock, has “Southgate 1947” lightly penciled in cursive on the bottom flat of one of the very clean barrel channels.
Bill Paton