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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Cades Cove Fiddler on June 10, 2017, 06:38:57 PM
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:) ;D 8)...Posting a few pix of a rifle recently discovered.... not cleaned, closet find condition.....curly maple half stock with wood barrel rib, 46" barrel, about .40 caliber, all forged iron furniture, long "lollipop" barrel tang, "Holston" style cheek .....some think that she may have been shortened from fullstock.....no markings found......Enjoy (as I have), and comment please.......Regards, "Fiddler" .....
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Very nice triggerguard. Like these guns the best. Long tang, iron mounts, long barrels. Thanks for sharing.
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Beautiful! Nice horn and bag as well, were they found with the rifle?
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I like it ;D
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That's a nice old gun. I'd ask some questions about it but I don't want to get hung. People get awful ouchy when you ask legitimate questions about old guns.
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Very interesting rifle, I like half stock southern mountain rifles. Lately I've been in hog (rifle) heaven! ::) Thanks for posting ghost
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;D ;D... Is kinda like Heaven, ain't it Ghost... ??? ...... and Mike, ask questions....That's how we learn..... Regards, CC Fiddler ....
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Curious lockside panel. Wonder if it was made like that or altered later.
Moore pics available? Like to see the "belly" and entry and wooden rib and crown/sight. Thanks.
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Fiddler, I had a friend who passed away a few years ago , he had an old half stock SMR very similar to this one. It had a long 45 or 46 inch barrel, iron mounts , walnut stock, and what appeared to be a Hickory rib. The cheekpiece on his was more square and, the stock was Walnut but overall similar rifle. He had 5 old southern style half stocks and 6 full stocks one of which was a very cool poorboy that I may have pics of. I believe there had to be many of these rifles built by both pro builders and sometimes builders alike during the long period of their use.
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;D ;D... Nate... obtained this one out of Greene Co. Tennessee ....has what Dave Byrd calls a "Holston" style cheekrest.... Alfred Gross & Samuel Glover were some well known builders in the 1800's who used this style.... have seen one by one of the McInturff's too....However this rifle is not marked .....
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;) ;) .... WadePatton .... A few more pix .... (I'm not a photographer... !!! ) ....
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;D ;D... Is kinda like Heaven, ain't it Ghost... ??? ...... and Mike, ask questions....That's how we learn..... Regards, CC Fiddler ....
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Yep, Fiddler I'm just a good ol' southern boy stuck in Ohio............
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Nice rifle. Well, you said to ask questions so here goes. Is it possible that the lock is a replacement? It doesn't seem to fit properly.
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;D ;D... could be... anything possible, but is period for gun, and fits the mortice good, with normal wood shrinkage for age..... several are concerned with the paneling around lock... esp at rear of plate, but It's not really pronounced, even on opposite side.....
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Regardless, still very nice. Always good to see some original percussion guns, I have a keen interest in the percussion period.
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I have noticed that on some southern rifles, the lock seems to be placed after the lock panels were shaped, without regard for an exact amount of wood showing around the lock plate. It's as if the builder had in mind the stock shape and lock panel shape, and then simply added the lock to the proper position for function, instead of shaping the lock panel around the lock after it was inlet.
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It seems that there are so many variables with longrifles that is is difficult to learn much just by looking at pictures. I will have to make a trip down to Tennessee or thereabouts and attend some shows.
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Ok, I'll ask some questions as I find this a very interesting gun. You curmudgeons that are offended by questions take a chill pill for a minute. Like Wade, I'm curious about the lock panel, not seen anything like it. I'm also wondering if you have ever had the wood under rib off to look for under lugs. I don't recall seeing any Appalachia rifles that were originally built with wood ribs, of course anything is possible. ;)
I find it so odd that fellows refuse to share photos of their old guns for fear somebody might ask questions about them....just don't get it.
Thanks for posting these, much appreciated! :)
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:) :)... Agree, Mike....Always happy to show an old gun.....only way we can learn is by looking at the old ones....Lock panel looked funny to me too, but have had lock out and the work inside is all old ....wooden rib appears to be hickory...( raised on a farm & done carpentry....I know wood) ....haven't had it off because of an age split where one pin goes through....(don't want to chance damaging)...Have been told stock may have been shortened..(I don't think so myself) ...There are a lot of Tennessee cap rifles that were original half-stock ....one feature I have noticed in Tennessee half-stocks, is that the wood on the forearm extends further up the barrel than on northern guns....This one is 5 inches past where ramrod entry is in stock.... I will post pix of the triggerguard later.... unique three piece construction....Thanx for your interest... !!!.... Wish you could hold her & get your opinion in person...!!!
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were built as a 1/2 stock. NC rifles tend to have long wood on 1/2 stocks as well. I actually find that feature attractive.
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:) :)... Ray.... You MUST come to the Knoxville Tennessee/Kentucky Longrifle Collectors show held annually in April ....Largest gathering of Southern Mountain Rifles in the world.... !!!... can see & touch them all up close..... (as Ghost said "hog rifle heaven" ) ....!!!... Contemporary Builders page on FB has some great pix from past shows....
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Thanks for that info. I would love to attend.
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8) 8)... few close-up pix of the unusual trigger-guard.....is three piece construction.... bow is forge dished....not flat...hand grip rail is thin iron and "cupped" to give strength ....riveted to bow and rear loop and what appears to be copper soldered together ....overall is a nice, slim & thin trigger-guard ....fits architecture of this rifle perfectly .... very well made & stylish ......comments welcome... Regards, CC Fiddler ....
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Fiddler, That guard looks like it would feel good. As I stated earlier my friend that passed away had a rifle with wooden rib. I`ve seen two others also. One was at the Civil War show in Nashville a few years ago, and Ron Ehlert did some repair work on one back in the 80s. On all 3 rifles that I`ve seen the furniture was forged iron and the ribs all appeared to be Hickory. While half stocks are not my favorite these with the wooden ribs do have a certain coolness that I do like. Thanks Nate
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Neat rifle. Thanks for sharing. I really enjoyed seeing how the guard was constructed..... Bob
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Thanks for the pics and even moore pics. Nothing much harder to get "full coverage" pics of than our longrifles.
Kinda like the "long wood" half-stock. Neat gun. It really does help for us to at least "absorb" some of the details of any rifle "away from the shows" such that we can know what to look for if we get to see it in person. So much sensory overload when viewing dozens in a day or two, I can soak up more at this rate.
Granted that handling/seeing in person gives the fullest picture, these flat digital ones are a great aid to any student of the rifle and SOOOOO much more convenient.
Thanks again.
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I have, or have had, a rifle almost identical in every way to that rifle, except it had a full stock. I'll look for some photos so we can compare the two!
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Cades one of the trigger guards that I purchased at the Tennessee show is almost identical to yours. Just a newer made one. Two have the H.H.stamp an this one I attribute to Herchels makings. Mainly because they were all in the same box together. Thanks for showing. Oldtravler
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What is the method used to attach the rib to the barrel?
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I have, or have had, a rifle almost identical in every way to that rifle, except it had a full stock. I'll look for some photos so we can compare the two!
Sweet. hope to see those pics too. 8)
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;D ;D.... Diamante...Wooden rib is attatched by pins through either staples or loops to bottom of barrel ...that's why some think wooden forestock has been shortened .... Traveller ....Please post a pic of those guards....!!! Thanx, boys ...!!!...S R ....post those pix...like to compare them ...Thanx, Wade...maybe we can meet-up at a show one day .... Cheers, DGB ....