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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: Cody Tetachuk on May 22, 2008, 04:56:23 PM
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Since there are only a few members here and Tom PROMISED he would delete these before the site goes public, here's a few pics of the engraveing on my current project.
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Cody: Most excellent work..... If I could have wielded an engraving tool like that I could have been somebody ( yeah I keep dreaming) Wow now the Cheekpiece too!
I need to do a fancy silver eagle on a cheekpiece of this bullet gun I'm finishing If I could only get it a 10th as good
The work is beautiful
Jim
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I hear that Cody does engraving work, and does it cheap.
Kuntz may have very well sent out his engraving work.....there may have been a time when Rupp used the same engraver...
Was Tetachuk his name?
This is most exciting work, Cody, all fun aside. You have a serious good hand and eye with the engraver. Few people could do Kuntz like you are doing. You got the touch, bro.
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Cody,
I'm also eyeing up your incised carvings....they are very well executed also! I was telling Acer awhile back I can't do incised carving to save my life. Relief carving.. no problem. He said I need to sharpen my vee tools & that's scary. I have done it but never as sharp as I need to do that nice deep( & clean) stuff you guys do.
Hey now I also see his picture is bigger then mine! I thought he was taller?
Jim
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man, you must have some time on your hands. Beautiful work. We have a new Canadian Lehigh school, eh?
So you engrave before finishing. Would not have thought of that.
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Rich, you would not believe how Cody builds a gun........maybe I should let him tell you.
Oh, I can't, now that I let the secret out.
He leaves the forestock square, and finishes the gun from the locks back. You might say 'WHA?' But think about it: you have a great way to hold the gun in a vise without endangering the forestock. The forestock is safe from all those dings and dents you get when turning the gun around.
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Well the pictures sure add proof to your story!! ;) ;) ::)
Cody that engraving is phenomenal. I am engraving my Peter Berry now ( and learning how to engrave) Everytime I get ready to work I get my .54 down and study the engraving you did on the sideplate for me....... I have a long way to go!! Those cold winters with nothing to do but practice have sured paid off for you!!! ::)
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Just to show that Tom aint chittin ya (for once), here's a picture of the gun so far. Haven't even done the front of the panels yet. I don't like trying to hold the delicate forestock in a vice so I leave it to last.
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Jim, try this, rather than useing a V parting tool, I use a VERY small veiner. Here's a picture of the one I use most. It's the smallest one Phiel makes. Even though it's a palm chisel, I drive it with a mallet. Problem with a V parting tool (at least for me) is that unless your depth is perfevtly consistent, the width of the line will vary and appear wavy. The veiner has parralel sides so once you reach enough depth to ride on the vertical sides, variations will not result in a varied line width. After cutting my design, I then go back and vary the line where I want to with a small flat. Here's an early picture of the carving on this gun, all incised. I did use a Vparting tool for the cross hatching for no particular reason, just seemed like the thing to do. :-\
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Tim, I did a few practice plates when I was learning to use a 120 deg graver but otherwise, I never practice. I have time just lack the ambition.
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You make me sick, Cody. I wish we had a vomit button on the new forum. Wralph!
Good idee on the veiner. Perhaps easier to sharpen that the parting tool, eh. The trick with the parting tool is that it's actually a teenie weenie veiner down at the bottom of the vee....no company that I know of gets that bottom of the vee perfectly sharp inside cornered.
Most cool aft the cheek carving.
You need to downsize your photos a tad. Maybe make the around 100 to 12o KB, no bigger.
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Cody,
Now that is a tiny little thing. I have a micro u gouge from brownell's about that small . Need to get this size veiner .
Hey could you possibly post a close up of its tip......& also a close up of that 120 deg graver tip ( I'm not familiar with that size)
Jim
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Cody, is this.5 mm veiner what you use??
PFEIL "Swiss Made" #11 Sweep Veiners
These gouges are more 'U' shaped than any other sweep. They are well suited to fluting and preliminary outlining of relief carvings. Their shape allows them to make a clean, deep cut in one pass without fear of the corners of the tool digging in.
.5mm # 11 Sweep Veiner
#123012 Price:$25.99
Qty.
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Tim, yeah, I think that's the one.
Jim, here's some pics of the graver tip and chisel tip. Couldn't get the chisel tip very well. The graver on the right is a 120degree and the one on the left is a typical 90 degree (square)
You guys will notice that the same elements seen in the carving are carried through to the patch box design as well as the engraveing. This is an example of "conceptual continuity", maintaining a common theme throughout the gun. Another example of this would be.....I dunno.....something like a modeled acanthus leaf on a rear sight executed in the same manner as that on a butt plate and trigger guard....wzzzzzz.....kaplook! ;D
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@!*%, you Tetachuk, I knew whwre that was going even before I came to acanthus. @!*%, @!*%, @!*%. I just about fell off my chair laughing. I wish we could sit down over some Appleton Estate.
T
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Cody,
Thanks for posting the photos. I think I may have one of those 120 deg gravers here. Tom is taking a peak at what I think may be a veiner I have here.
Sorry If sometimes I disappear for awhile. At times my darn profession gets in the way of life. Was at meetings all morning now I have to shoot in the studio for the rest of the day. Yesterday I got a chance to hide behind the computer all day and play on this new list! That was fun, now it's back to work!
Jim
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Really and truly...Outstanding Work!!!
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Cody,
That's some fine engraving! Really nice design and layout. My hat's off to you.
Ken
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Cody,
She's a beauty!! The engraving and carving are outstanding, but I also wanted to say that the architecture looks spot on! I don't know if I mentioned it before, but I like your use of steel nails for the silver inlay. Way to go!
-Eric
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Went into the Admin section for the photos, Ken, and made the max width at 640.
Now Cody's wide gun photos have disappeared.
Since we are just starting up, I'll ask Cody to repost at 640 wide or smaller. Cody, you wanted these gone at some point, anyway, right? I didn't mean to do it so soon. hahaha.
When the tutorial for photos gets redone, this specified max width will be part of the instructions. Jim Filipski said he would help me with the camera jargon.
Now I gotta go outside and play in the garden.
T
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I figured it would take some playing around to get the just so so size. 640 seems small to me. 800 x 600 might be better. Small document size.
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This 640 x 480. I think Photobucket resizes to this.
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Ken, is that a 640 wide pic?
Seems to have plenty good size and detail.
I am sure there are plenty of folks who don't have a wide screen.
tom
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I believe that is correct.
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Tom Beat you to it see it works
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Cody, Why did you take the pictures down just when I need them????
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Way more exposure than I was comfortable with. What could you POSSIBLY need them for????
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Too late, I already grabbed 'the photos. Cody, I'll sell them back to you,eh.
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I like incise carving with the Veiner and yoir pics are great examples. Didn't realize it was a Canadian national "trade secret"!! ;-)
Course Acer has already busted you, so the cats out of the bag!
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What could you POSSIBLY need them for????
Who are you trying to kid, Cody? That carving is most noteworthy, a study piece all in its own right. Of course we want to look at it, study it, marvel, etc. Your work is inspirational, believe it or not.
Tom
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He's shy!!! ;-)
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OK, I'm busted, I didn't actually do the carving. The evil monkey in my closet did it and he told me to take the pictures down. He scares me. You see, this stuff IS so easy a monkey could do it. It's important to understand that this is NOT my artwork. I am simply NOT that artistic. The design is one used quite alot by both J Kuntz and John Rupp (the younger). This is a Kuntz that I took the design from. I changed what I THINK were leaves at the top to doves (my wifes suggestion) and added the zig zag to personalize it a bit but otherwise it's pretty much plagerized. I DO have an excuse for this but will keep that to myself until the gun is finished.
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Its nice you cite Kuntz ;-).
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I like the clear pictures and the way you carved it with the veiner. So that is why I want tostudy
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Shoot, as I am practicing my engraving I keep looking at the sideplate you engraved for me. I use it as a standard! :-)
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Tim, after chasing out the design with the viener, at Tom's suggestion, I took a small flat and lightly shaved the edges to slightly round things up and soften the effect. made a HUGE improvement. I also used a flat to flare out the humps on the frills around the rear edge in an attempt to mimick the effect achieved on the Kuntz original.
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Tim, after chasing out the design with the viener, at Tom's suggestion, I took a small flat and lightly shaved the edges to slightly round things up and soften the effect. made a HUGE improvement. I also used a flat to flare out the humps on the frills around the rear edge in an attempt to mimick the effect achieved on the Kuntz original.
I thought you said the monkey did it? Now I'm confused.
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I don't remember Kuntz talking about monkeys......... :o
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I thought you said the monkey did it?
That's right.
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I don't remember Kuntz talking about monkeys......... :o
Unlike you, I'm not old enough to have talked with Kuntz. What all DO you remember from your conversations?
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Jacob told me to look out for Canadians with monkeys in their closets.
And don't worry about mistakes, everybody makes 'em.
Also don't judge yourself, because you are not a fair judge. Let God do that.
That's all he's letting on for the moment. I lost the signal, but will let you know as soon as he gets in touch again.
T
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So it just occured to me. We almost idolize a lot of american gunsmiths and their beautiful work, and we try to get into their minds on how or why they did something on a gun. We think "if only they could tell us...". I bet some wouldn't though, I'm sure some of them were real jerks! I'm gonna get struck down by lightning, or my shop is gonna catch fire, but Kuntz might not have been the nice guy we like to think :P
I LIKE to think the well used French pistol I have from the 1760's-70's was carried by a gentleman who "fought with honor"... but it might have been carried by a guy not too dissimilar from Tavington in The Patriot ???.
Now, so disaster doesn't fall upon me... I'll say that Kuntz was probably one of the nice guys.
Cody... It takes an artistic mind and a lot of skill just to attempt to recreate a Kuntz or Rupp Jr. An outright bench copy would still be a work of art and tremendous skill. The carving and engraving you're doing is nothing short of masterful.
-Eric
"The sad part is, he wasn't always evil..."
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Cody, on my screen, your pictures are just little blue squares with a ? inside. Tom, can you help me?
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I'll tell you what happened. Cody got embarrassed about showing his work. So he turns all red and takes his pictures away. He does not play well with others.
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Cody...put 'em back!
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Cody,
I just switched over to this board yesterday...... always a day late and a dollar short.
C'mon man, I thought we were tight...... let's see the photos. (why does that sound so familiar?)
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I'll tell you what happened. Cody got embarrassed about showing his work. So he turns all red and takes his pictures away. He does not play well with others.
Either you're unusually perseptive or I'm easy to read.
Question, is a "New Yorker" someone from the state, the city, or just a POS Chrysler?.
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Very nice work!!!
Centershot
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wow,very nice indeed.carving and engraving is great...
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Cody... That's awesome... I don't know which I like better, the engraving or the carving. Really nice work and thanks for sharing!
Ed
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Holy Cow Cody,
That's absolutely gorgeous. :o
I've been put in my place again..... "rank amateur" status. :(
Beautiful gun.
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Beautiful, everything. In-letting that cheek piece must have been, well, whew,..... great job!
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Great work all around. Cody did you design the patchbox or copy it from some original. I think it is the most pleasing patchbox I have everseen.
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Cody did you design the patchbox or copy it from some original.
Sorry man, the box is also plagerized from the same gun as the carving. I made a few minor changes due to personal taste like adding the three piercings to each side plate (I find pierced inlays easier to inlet) but the basic design is one used quite alot by Kuntz and Rupp the younger. This gun (attributed to Rupp) as well as another are listed in Kentucky rifles and pistols.
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Well his is far better than I could do..but yours is elegant! In design and engraving.
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Hey Cody, Thats beautiful work !
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Cody, when the picture opened, my first thought was "#@!! $#@*!" Just splendid. Now, are there more than two pictures there?...I still have a bunch of blue ? in little squares, and I assume they are pictures that didn't upload.
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Cody, fantastic job! That carving is stunning, I really like the bit around the tang. I also like your modifications to the patchbox, the piercings really add some zing, as does the smaller piercing in the finial - much more graceful than the Rupp ;)
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Cody, when the picture opened, my first thought was "#@!! $#@*!" Just splendid. Now, are there more than two pictures there?...I still have a bunch of blue ? in little squares, and I assume they are pictures that didn't upload.
Taylor,
Sometimes just clicking the "refresh" or "reload"icon on you web browser will give the computer a little jolt to load missing imasges.
Try it... it should load them. Sometimes when a brower request a page there is a delay which can cause images not to load the first time. This may be the situation you are seeing.
Jim
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i keep coming back to view this awesome rifle you have put together..very impressive cody....
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Yeah, and the disgusting thing about it is when he says he doesn't think his engraving or caving are any good - he MEANS it! I should be that "bad". :'(
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Cody,
This is very nice work. I just signed up for the new site. You should not be embrassed to show your work to the masses. I think you are doing a really fine job. Do you use a power engraver? or traditional hammer and chisel? Either way really fine work.
Marc
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Cody,
Geez Man,these guys sure like to pick on you! And what's a wizzKerplook?Some kinda carving technique? or tool? or secret code? Any how, where's the rest of this rifling gun? Did ya bust it in half? Zat why you're being shy? Looks good so far but I'm not commenting till I see the rest(after you glue it back together.)Need glue? The stuff I'm sniffing works good!hehehe
I like the two little birdies behind the cheek!
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Cody,
Great work! Like VaRiflegun, I don't know which I like better, the carving or the engraving. I do like the way that flower looks like it's growing up over the rear of the cheekpiece. Also really like the carving around the tang.
-Joe
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I like the two little birdies behind the cheek!
"the two little birdies" are doves. You'll notice that they don't have tails. Not to worry tho', I'll put the two dovetails under the sights :D.
Thanks everyone for the kind comments. I hope the finished product will live up to everyone's apparent expectations. Actually, that's a lie, I only hope that it lives up to MY expectations ;D.
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Nice work my friend! Very very beautiful! 8)
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I'm really looking forward to seeing this one when it's finished.
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Beautiful work, Cody. In your carving, do you clean up the cuts or are the initial cuts so sharp as to be 'finished' ?
Thanks for the pics.
Kevin W
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Marc, the engraveing was done with a gravermach.
Kevin, I did the initial cutting with a veiner (except the crosshatching wich was done with a V parting tool) then, I went back and shaved the sharp edges off and added some dimention with a small flat.
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Mr. Tetachuk, you sure know how to ruin a beginners morning! I pick a gun to build that I've never seen anyone do before and when I log onto the new site not only do I see one, but one done a thousand times better than I can do!! ;) Your work is awesome.
For a look at what a hack will try on his second gun, here's some in progress pics of mine. I do things a bit different (although I do the lock panels back first as well - all the guys I build with taught me to do it that way, didn't know there was any way different!), and have much lesser tools so far to work with. Do my incise lines with a wood burner first, then a v tool. The cross hatching in the carving I was probably going to leave just with the wood burner lines, although I relieved it a bit so it's recessed from the rest of the carving.
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And I'm doing mine with all silver trim. I know, not PC, but I wanted to try it. Just started the engraving, but it's my first attempt and NOTHING like what you've got. Just doing the simple pattern that came with patchbox from MBS. I was, however, feeling pretty good about it until I saw this thread. :'(
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All I've had to go by are the pics in the 'Kentucky' book, some of them are hard to see. I've got them blown up on my laptop but still not the best. Are you doing those fancy inlays on the forearm and above the toeplate?
Dave
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osprey,i feel your pain ,but yours dont look that bad.i have been practicing on scrap wood and at the rate im going i should be collecting social security by the time i get as good as some of these fellas.im only 35!!!!i think unless you can spend a couple weeks with someone real good and learning from them on a daily basis it will take along time to really master carving and engraving.as long as you meet your expectations of what the end result will be,dont sweat it...
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Cody,
I'm a little late to the game on this one, but great work all the same. Looking forward to seeing the finished gun. It looks like it'll be awesome.
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Very nice.
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Beautimous ;D
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Cody.....that's some pretty awesome stuff. Glad to see that you got that other window installed in the Igloo....Don
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"Question, is a "New Yorker" someone from the state, the city, or just a POS Chrysler?. "
A "New Yorker" is someone from the city and environs.
An "Upstater" or "Upstate New Yorker" is someone from generally north and west of the lower Catskills.
Or an old term my grandfather used to say (and I sometimes still do), just a "York Stater" for an Upstater. And we lived in "York State".
That's all I'm qualified to comment on in this thread. Can't wait to see finish on Cody's rifle.
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Wow nice work. I would settle just to have the definition and sharpness in the inlay edges that you have in yours much less the carving and engraving.
Tim C.