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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: Dennis Glazener on January 16, 2018, 07:46:05 PM
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A friend of mine, Jim Melchoir, co-wrote a well researched article on Hunting Bags and Shooting Accessories in Virginia & North Carolina. Its in three parts and I hope you find it as interesting as I did. There also are several other articles on the same site that you probably would enjoy reading. Here is the URL to the website : http://ehcnc.org/decorative-arts/historic-trades/
Dennis
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Dennis! Great article thanks for sharing
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Wow what a great resource. Not just hunting bags but everything in them!
The other articles provided by the Edenton Historical Commission on that site are also really interesting. A nice 2 cup of coffee reading session. Thanks
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Dennis,
Thanks for posting. I loved the nail making Video! Off to the forge...no more Phillips screws :)
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Dennis:
Thank you for making this available. My well worn copy of Madison Grants book has been my primary resource when sewing pouches.
This is a great addition for those of us who enjoy making accouterments. I am fortunate to have one original pouch and several plain horns.
My Best
Don
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A friend of mine, Jim Melchoir, co-wrote a well researched article on Hunting Bags and Shooting Accessories in Virginia & North Carolina. Its in three parts and I hope you find it as interesting as I did. There also are several other articles on the same site that you probably would enjoy reading. Here is the URL to the website : http://ehcnc.org/decorative-arts/historic-trades/
Dennis
Hey Dennis,
A couple of the firesteels shown in the third part are probably Mexican/Colonial Spanish: http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/firefromsteel/Gallery/photos/photo_17.html (Mike Ameling's site)
It is very interesting to find them showing up in Virginia-Carolina, if that indeed is where they were found. Possibly made in Florida?
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cool, thank you
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Good stuff Dennis...thanks.
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Thank you! Dennis great article...
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Great stuff!
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Thanks Dennis for sharing that info and link. Interesting to see that bullet board with 15 or more patched balls, quite large I thought, and the short starters which didn't exist also interesting. Also quite a few patch knives, I like to make patch knives. :)
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Thanks Dennis, lots of good information there.
Robby
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Interesting to see that bullet board with 15 or more patched balls...
The bullet boards used for small caliber rifles had multiple balls. See the Tom Wnuck estate sale for several examples.
...and the short starters which didn't exist also interesting.
No one has said short starters didn't exist, just that they were not used early (18th - mid 19th century). These are likely rammers for case pistols...
Also quite a few patch knives...
A knife is a knife is a knife. Just because it was attached to a bag in no way limits it to cutting patches - just like any other knife a person might carry.
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After looking at this thread. Low an behold I have two antique powder horns. That are dead ringers for one's in the article.
Ones the little priming horn in figure one. The other is the powder horn on page 18. Now to get that antique and to go with them...!
Thanks again Dennis...
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A friend of mine, Jim Melchoir, co-wrote a well researched article on Hunting Bags and Shooting Accessories in Virginia & North Carolina. Its in three parts and I hope you find it as interesting as I did. There also are several other articles on the same site that you probably would enjoy reading. Here is the URL to the website : http://ehcnc.org/decorative-arts/historic-trades/
Dennis
Dennis,
There are many fantastic pictures in the articles.
However, I am troubled by the dearth of dates, references and provenances...
Albert
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A friend of mine, Jim Melchoir, co-wrote a well researched article on Hunting Bags and Shooting Accessories in Virginia & North Carolina. Its in three parts and I hope you find it as interesting as I did. There also are several other articles on the same site that you probably would enjoy reading. Here is the URL to the website : http://ehcnc.org/decorative-arts/historic-trades/
Dennis
Dennis,
There are many fantastic pictures in the articles.
However, I am troubled by the dearth of dates, references and provenances...
Albert
I thought that his restraint in not giving speculative dates was commendable, myself. Some more detail on where the artifacts were founds would be nice, of course.
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A friend of mine, Jim Melchoir, co-wrote a well researched article on Hunting Bags and Shooting Accessories in Virginia & North Carolina. Its in three parts and I hope you find it as interesting as I did. There also are several other articles on the same site that you probably would enjoy reading. Here is the URL to the website : http://ehcnc.org/decorative-arts/historic-trades/
Dennis
Dennis,
There are many fantastic pictures in the articles.
However, I am troubled by the dearth of dates, references and provenances...
Albert
I thought that his restraint in not giving speculative dates was commendable, myself. Some more detail on where the artifacts were founds would be nice, of course.
Speculative dates - agreed (Thanks Elnathan - I hadn't thought of it from this perspective). Context is very important with historical artifacts - without context, all you have is a neat item.
Unfortunately, some people will draw their own conclusions....
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Thanks for posting the link Dennis. The pictures are good, but left me wanting more. Supposed to be a photo essay, would have liked more angles and constructions detail pictures,,,,,,, and less supposition/opinionated projection about how common certain accessories were, even though we have few/no examples of them or testament to their use. I found the same true of the Kentucky Longrifle article in the link. Disappointing given that with the layout of the website and such it looks quite scholarly and some new readers will take what is written there as gospel.
But, as I said, nice to see some original bags. As a beginner at making them it is all still food for thought.
Best regards,
Dave
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Great caesars ghost...
Ok I guess I’ll say it again. Thank you Dennis, that was a great collection of pictures of some original bags we haven’t seen before, put together by a bunch of people who undoubtedly did not get paid to do so, and likewise shared with us with no obligation to do so. I understand that it is impossible to date or ascribe a provenance to a rotting leather bag and that a family story and supposition is all we get at best, and I’m able to just enjoy them as a person who is generally passionate about hunting bags from any era. I also understand that a full photographic examination of every angle and stitch of the bag was likely not possible, and yet somehow I will get over that and live my life, and just enjoy the pictures.
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No one has commented on the gun hammers vs buttonhole cutters. It was pretty interesting reading with lots of pics.
Lots of flint hammers like the ones that Dave Crisali makes....combination tools. Also, I saw a capper that looked exactly like the one that Ted Cash offers.
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Thanks for posting Dennis. Took me a bit but I got through all of them. Very interesting.
Dave
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No one has commented on the gun hammers vs buttonhole cutters. It was pretty interesting reading with lots of pics.
Lots of flint hammers like the ones that Dave Crisali makes....combination tools. Also, I saw a capper that looked exactly like the one that Ted Cash offers.
I really liked that article. I've never been all that interested in the multi-piece combination tools, but those little single-piece ones, which were new to me, are very cool. I think I'll try making one.
I wonder if that little pointy end could be used for pressure flaking instead of percussion knapping a flint...
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These were great reads! I think some of us get caught up so much in trying to recreate period construction details (I know I do) that we wish for seeing all angles. Like sligo, im a bag freak, too and will accept every picture i can get and enjoy it for what it is. But in the back of my mind, I'm still thinking I wish I had a side shot of that bag. Just human nature.
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Thanks Dennis. Very nice collection of photos to supplement the articles
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Fascinating website, Mr G; thank you VERY much for sharing this information!
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Ironically I was just starting to research bags that might have been carried during the Battle of Kings Mountain to go with my Virginia rifle that is being built by TVM right now. This will be extremely helpful and I can't believe all this info just dropped into my lap. ;D
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Glad to find this. Thanks, Dennis.
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Great stuff Dennis! Thank you for sharing!
Mike
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Wow. Thanks!
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Incredible articles, thank you!!
Sponge mode: activated! :)
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What a great post. Thanks Dennis
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Yet more examples starter were in fact around in those time.
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Now I have a better idea of what to go with a Gillespie rifle!
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I’ll have to say, for me personally, researching and exploring the accouterments for muzzle loading guns is every bit as fun as the guns themselves! :)