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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Nessmuck on March 31, 2018, 05:23:22 AM
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I only have a 62 cal Tulle Smooth Bore Flintah....But like fly rods, and Straight Razors...I have the itch for another. What Builder and what Smoothy is on you wish list ? I need some ideas and pics would be nice..thanks
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One like Dave's build would do me. English sporting gun, mid 18th C Nothing quite as elegant in my eye. (well up to the 1780's.)
I have a Colerain 16 bore barrel in the rafters, and a couple of original barrels to stock up. Need a lock or two.
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Doing one similar to these in 20 ga with a spare .62 rifle barrel.
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FgnyUEn%2Fmain_20.jpg&hash=f65e5d4dac5ea91655434484a82d57a298ef3be2) (http://ibb.co/d5wGun)
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Thanks for sharing your pictures. I really do like the half stock flint smoothbores. Do the English sporting guns usually have a hooked breech?
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Thanks for sharing your pictures. I really do like the half stock flint smoothbores. Do the English sporting guns usually have a hooked breech?
Yes Jerry, they do.
Bit more work than a full stock.. buy can be Very Nice as in above photos!
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Mine will be a 16th Century matchlock! Who knew?
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I think one like this 11 bore, H. Whal would make for a great hunting smoothbore if jug choked slightly. In nice SxS would be even better, bls. shortened to about 28" & slightly jug choked both barrels.
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2FeYAmc7%2FH_WHALL_Ball_and_Shot_Gun.jpg&hash=051d4dcc5270353e0048f035986ac62d33836f48) (http://ibb.co/j3DTqS)
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(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2Fd8kDPn%2FH_WHALL_Lock.jpg&hash=e8b26bc7f5507d92a0c866704987614d2f07369c) (http://ibb.co/fwnhH7)
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upload and resize image site (http://imgbb.com/)
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My NEXT smoothbore is a .50 cal 50" Getz barrelled JP Beck styled gun. Going to make it a smoothrifle. I have the barrel inlet professionally by Jack's Mt. Stocks in Pennsylvania...in a dense hard piece of cherry.
Just finishing up a Chamber's 20 bore fowling piece for a friend up north...film at eleven!
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I'm waiting on a barrel from Charles Burton so I can finish building a replica of my J. Henry & Son 20 ga. shotgun,....
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Darrel.
Just get it bored right and you don't need jug chokes! :) Birds scarce ever escaped at ranges of 40 yards or more. We're doing it wrong, that's why we try and fixum with stuff like jug chokes!
All the best,
Meself.
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I got a whole pile of smoothbores to build for folks, several Carolina guns, New England fowling guns, 'Liberty" guns etc. I have two in mind that i'll be doing for my own pleasure inside the next year, more or less. Both Rupps, one with a 48" 22 bore (.60) Paris and sons oct/rnd barrel with supra dupra curly meeble stock and another Rupp on a smaller scale with a plain stock and a Colerain 42" X .50 B weight swamped oct. barrel. That ought to get the Lehigh itchies out of me..... ;)
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I got a whole pile of smoothbores to build for folks, several Carolina guns, New England fowling guns, 'Liberty" guns etc. I have two in mind that i'll be doing for my own pleasure inside the next year, more or less. Both Rupps, one with a 48" 22 bore (.60) Paris and sons oct/rnd barrel with supra dupra curly meeble stock and another Rupp on a smaller scale with a plain stock and a Colerain 42" X .50 B weight swamped oct. barrel. That ought to get the Lehigh itchies out of me..... ;)
Mike....what exactly is a Carolina Gun ?
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I got a whole pile of smoothbores to build for folks, several Carolina guns, New England fowling guns, 'Liberty" guns etc. I have two in mind that i'll be doing for my own pleasure inside the next year, more or less. Both Rupps, one with a 48" 22 bore (.60) Paris and sons oct/rnd barrel with supra dupra curly meeble stock and another Rupp on a smaller scale with a plain stock and a Colerain 42" X .50 B weight swamped oct. barrel. That ought to get the Lehigh itchies out of me..... ;)
Mike....what exactly is a Carolina Gun ?
Early period English trade gun. also named "Type G" by TM Hamilton.
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As dumb as it might sound to you guys I want a 10ga steel shot capable sxs 10ga caplock with screw in chokes to goose hunt with. I forget who makes them but I know I have seen them for sale.
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I'm hoping to have my custom Bbl from Charlie Burton by next fall. Gonna try to copy a Simon Lauck smoothbore. In fact, I need to round up everything except the trigger guard.
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Mike,
It's too late Pal. You're hopelessly addicted.
Photos are required!!!
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Early English Trade gun.
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+1 - Early English Trade Gun
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Early English Trade gun.
Those the ones with 48 inch barrels ?
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I was thinking of 36" - 42".
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Pedersolie (sp) used to make a 10 ga. with screw in chokes but I don't know if they still do. I had one and it didn't take long for me to part with it. Too heavy and too much recoil with goose loads. 12 ga. loads were a little better but the thing didn't fit me well and swung like a fence post.
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I have a .50 cal. 48” barrel I plan to build for myself one of these days, if I ever get around to it. Squirrel gun with shot and deer with round ball. Doug Warren had one at Lex. last year with a 42” barrel he uses when following his squirrel dog. Light and easy to carry. Getting hard for me to see the sights on a rifle.
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Pedersolie (sp) used to make a 10 ga. with screw in chokes but I don't know if they still do. I had one and it didn't take long for me to part with it. Too heavy and too much recoil with goose loads. 12 ga. loads were a little better but the thing didn't fit me well and swung like a fence post.
Seems like all 10ga guns swing like a fence post. It doesn't seem to matter if they are of modern or old design. On the other hand nothing else kills big birds the way 10ga does. It would be cool to be the only guy in the field set to be slaying geese and cranes that way. Too bad the guns are $700 new. That's kind of much for what I would consider to be a novelty shotgun.
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Next smoothbore will be a 20 ga spec gun based on a Wilson trade gun/cheap fowler illustrated in Of Sorts for Provincials. 46” oct to round barrel, English walnut, serpent sideplate, round faced Chris Evrard-assembled Chambers lock.
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My very next project is a European style halfstock, utilizing a tapered lightweight 42" oct. to round Ed Rayle barrel in 24 gage. Euro walnut stock, brass furniture, compliments to our own Ron Scott! ;D
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This one, this is it, a ROER, simple, likely made in South Africa - this one is a 4 bore smooth,
looking very much like the Whal 11 bore I posted above. Perfect for ducks geese and elephants.
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FcaFQEx%2FRoer_Smoothbore.jpg&hash=9eed08521b9a5e55f48b8e0302e63bca01b09400) (http://ibb.co/jAVE7H)
Some were rifled, some not.
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This one, this is it, a ROER, simple, likely made in South Africa - this one is a 4 bore smooth,
looking very much like the Whal 11 bore I posted above. Perfect for ducks geese and elephants.
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FcaFQEx%2FRoer_Smoothbore.jpg&hash=9eed08521b9a5e55f48b8e0302e63bca01b09400) (http://ibb.co/jAVE7H)
Some were rifled, some not.
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Why build a 4 bore when you can build a 2 bore rifled?
http://www.thegunworks.com/custprodgun.cfm?ProductID=515&do=detail&Cat2Option=yes
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Just started this week on a 10 ga, Spanish Escopeta, 34 inch barrel with a scratch built Miquelet lock.
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I have a brass 16" 4 bore blunderbuss barrel I'm currently hand in letting in a piece of walnut. Going to be a American composite blunderbuss that could have been found in a Massachusettes privateer early in the war. Hey it's a smoothbore!
Greg
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Should be fun, Greg.
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Justin Urbantis, that is a wonderful long gun you have pictured. would you provide a little info, please?
What length barrel, and size across the flats? It doesn't look like it's very hard to carry.
Thank you, Woodbutcher
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Justin Urbantis, that is a wonderful long gun you have pictured. would you provide a little info, please?
What length barrel, and size across the flats? It doesn't look like it's very hard to carry.
Thank you, Woodbutcher
Here is where I found it.
http://www.sitemason.com/page/gBGD96
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That's nice!
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and COOL!
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patterning- red - this gun 15 bore - note the load.
yes- it is confusing
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The choked 12 bore put 8 pellets LESS on the page than the 15 bore, while exceeding the 15 bore's load by a 1/4oz. of #6's + 13gr. more powder.
That's interesting.
If I remember correctly, Taylor's 15 bore Manton shot 1oz best as well, but might have been 1 1/8oz. with 2 1/2 drams powder.
Nice gun, Justin, thanks for posting it's whereabouts.
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I'm thinking of a Dunlap 12 ga. English Fowler.
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The choked 12 bore put 8 pellets LESS on the page than the 15 bore, while exceeding the 15 bore's load by a 1/4oz. of #6's + 13gr. more powder.
That's interesting.
If I remember correctly, Taylor's 15 bore Manton shot 1oz best as well, but might have been 1 1/8oz. with 2 1/2 drams powder.
Nice gun, Justin, thanks for posting it's whereabouts.
No problem. It's a good site to see some nice high end originals.
As is this site http://www.flintlockcollection.net/
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I don't have a smoothbore and am unlikely to make one in the near future as I don't really have a use for one. However, for some reason I really like the idea of making a type G, just to have one, and I'd like to make a musket or big-bored fowling piece just for the heck of it. Probably would have started on one before this, but there aren't any commercial locks of suitable size.
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I don't have a smoothbore and am unlikely to make one in the near future as I don't really have a use for one. However, for some reason I really like the idea of making a type G, just to have one, and I'd like to make a musket or big-bored fowling piece just for the heck of it. Probably would have started on one before this, but there aren't any commercial locks of suitable size.
Shooting a Smooth Bore is a ton of fun....
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(https://s20.postimg.org/f4qor3psd/IMG_20180326_012203166.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/pet3qcfnt/)
38" Colerain Turkey barrel in the style of Beck.
Hoping to have it done in the next couple weeks.
After that, a PA or English Fowler is on the list for wing shooting...but have a couple rifles and a smoothbore 54cal pistol to build.
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Your bench is tidy compared to mine.
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Mr Urbantas, now I must complain. You show something so very nice and it's how old? Now what am I to do?
Where does one go to get a barrel so light that it can make a 5 1/2 lb long gun? Maybe in .54 caliper.
I'm crushed! Woodbutcher
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I have been thinking a 28ga with 33 to 36 inch barrel and a little shorter LOP in hopes of getting the girls and grandsons started one day. Have not decided on the stock style yet.
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Mr Urbantas, now I must complain. You show something so very nice and it's how old? Now what am I to do?
Where does one go to get a barrel so light that it can make a 5 1/2 lb long gun? Maybe in .54 caliper.
I'm crushed! Woodbutcher
Sorry to disappoint you. I think maybe you could get a lightweight fowler barel from FCI or Ed Rayl maybe. I think it could be done
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Justin, thank you. Sometimes disappointment can lead to progress. Look at this way, you've shown it can be done.
I will, look again, at different suppliers for a lightweight smoothbore barrel. It seems that the profile is the same for different bores, so larger bores are lighter. I ain't found a 50 cal. or 54 cal. thin wall smooth barrel yet.
What does a halfstock weigh, depending on the wood used? That gives an idea of the barrel weight desired.
I'm very grateful for the info that you've shared. It is an inspiring piece that you have.
I'm still crushed! Woodbutcher
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It'll be a few guns down the line and probably a couple years off, but an Armstrong fowler is on my list. All I have so far are a triggergaurd (that I'll need to file and adapt) and the wood. Planning on the 44" turkey choke barrel for it. With sights and that barrel it should be a great gobbler whomper!
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This Lehigh .58 smoothy is the my favorite. If I could only have one flintlock, this would be the one I keep.
(https://preview.ibb.co/gFHWjH/lehigh_002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iB2xPH)
(https://preview.ibb.co/df5TWx/lehigh_004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kFLHPH)
(https://preview.ibb.co/df5TWx/lehigh_004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kFLHPH)
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A Smooth rifle, buy the looks of that rear sight! There were MANY ordered from Eastern Makers, by stores in "The West", St. Louis, SanFrancisco, etc.
I tried a flat topped, V notch rear sight on my flinter - too it off and learned how to hold it.
I actually did not like seeing the WHOLE barrel - for some sodded reason - no comprondo.
I got my zeros (holds) - close range out to 50 yards and for 110 yards - done.
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My list of smoothbores grows. I want;
1763/66 Charleville
Brown Bess
M1795 Musket
American pattern fowler
I do plan on buying an M1842 musket sometime in the near future.
If only someone reliable offered parts for the French and American muskets
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(https://preview.ibb.co/nJZYZS/D706_DF6_E_12_D7_4_C31_8_A03_E07531_C17_E46.jpg) (https://ibb.co/muhy17)
The business end...62 cal Tulle
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This gun is just about perfect for a bird gun. I would like to get a .54 calibre rifle barrel
for it. I suspect Bobby Hoyt might be able to accomplish this for me. Anyone know if he
copies barrel profiles?
(https://preview.ibb.co/c0HLW7/AHunkeler20bore010_zps3e135d41.jpg) (https://ibb.co/egbsdn)
(https://preview.ibb.co/bs5DjS/AHunkeler20bore015.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gPtcB7)
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That's about what I'm going for Daryl. Maybe a little earlier period. I ordered a .62 rifle barrel the same profile as the 20 ga barrel for mine when I ordered from Charles Burton. Maybe he can do one for you?
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States? I suspect problems if I send my barrel down to the States for duplicating.
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States? I suspect problems if I send my barrel down to the States for duplicating.
Daryl,.... you might not have to send your barrel to Charles, just email him your barrel's dimensions and if he has any questions he'll email you back.
At least that is how my correspondence with him went, although my barrel was a simple round tapered barrel so all he needed to know was the bore caliber/gauge, length, breech diameter, and muzzle diameter.
He'll state the price and ask for a 50% deposit.
Usually about a 6-8 month wait for the finished barrel.
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Excellent idea - photos and measurements might be all that is necessary. Good suggestion, rollingb - thanks.
At this time, there is too much on my plate, but I will certainly keep this suggestion in mind.
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I just received my next smoothbore. It's a Mike Davis fowler built around a 28 gauge Ed Rayl octagon to round barrel. First shots at the range tomorrow. Thanks, Jerry
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I just received my next smoothbore. It's a Mike Davis fowler built around a 28 gauge Ed Rayl octagon to round barrel. First shots at the range tomorrow. Thanks, Jerry
Nice...we need pics !
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this thread has me thinkin' (always a bit sketchy). i have a 38" .58cal. d weight rifle and if i get a d weight .62 smooth barrel ..... .
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Don't really know why or need it, but I've had an itch to build a short barreled trade gun. something with about a 20 inch barrel.
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I just received my next smoothbore. It's a Mike Davis fowler built around a 28 gauge Ed Rayl octagon to round barrel. First shots at the range tomorrow. Thanks, Jerry
Will add pics soon. Jerry
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Jerry,
I’m another one looking forward to your pics. If I were shopping for a smoothbore at this time it would be the 20 ga. Currently offered by Mr. Adams in our classified section, built by Mike Davis.
I don’t have a smoothbore, having always been more inclined towards small caliber precision shooting but as time goes by... who knows.
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Don, Sending PM. Jerry
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Dreaming about one of Roy Stroh’s Carolina Smoothbores ....very lightweight. Was able to handle one at the Red Hook Brewery earlier this year....
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I found an old .410 shotgun barrel from a break action shotgun at an antique shop. Cut off all of the modern stuff on it and breached it. It's choked so it will be for shot only. 1/2 stock in walnut with a small roundfaced flintlock.
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I had planned on a smooth rifle based on RCA 85 as my next build but came across an old half stock English fowler in pretty rough shape. The barrrel I had for 85 is very close in profile to the fowler barrel except longer, so it may be a half stock fowler. The original lock can be resureccted back to flint I think.
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It’ll probably be this winter before I get started, but my idea is a southern mountain shotgun...as could’ve come out of one of the NC/VA/TN mountain shops. I’m thinking a mountain style restock of posssibly a trade gun barrel and lock, with a hand forged guard and buttpiece...most likely fullstock. Us mountain boys love our shotguns, can’t see any reason not to have one.
Greg
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My next smoothbore is a matchlock. Working on making the lock now. Thinking in terms of New France / Champlain .