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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: okawbow on April 15, 2018, 02:59:45 AM
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Hi All.
I started a flint table rifle a few weeks ago, and have it roughed out and functional. I used this gun to practice making a wooden patch box and doing light carving before I try a Golden age style rifle.
The barrel is a Rice match barrel, .54cal., 1 1/8"x 36" straight. The lock is a Chambers, Dale Johnson. I used a single trigger, because I sometimes have trouble with a set trigger, as I have almost no feeling in my trigger finger. The single trigger works great, with a crisp let off and just enough pull I can feel it. I will have a peep sight rear and have the home made post and dot sight installed. Anyone have pictures of a good looking and useful target rear peep?
I didn't try to copy a particular style, just a generic Pennsylvania flint. There is still a lot of fine tuning and scraping left before I finish the gun. I'll probably use an acid type stain and an oil/ varnish finish. I'll probably brown the barrel to cut down on glare, as this will be mainly a table match target rifle. It weighs a little over 12#, but actually points well as an offhand gun, due to the shorter barrel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/40745676914_4ecec2c7dd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/255yfbW)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/255yfbW) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/897/40566675145_5dbe32571a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24NJPcx)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/24NJPcx) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/868/40745676184_244e7c7d7b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/255yeYm)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/255yeYm) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/40745676074_1606a1659f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/255yeWs)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/255yeWs) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/793/40745674874_5605fb5a84_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/255yezL)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/255yezL) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/40566673905_043d602cd0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24NJNQa)Table rifle (https://flic.kr/p/24NJNQa) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
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That’s coming along nicely.
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Looks great.
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Please explain the table rifle concept, it's a term I'm not familiar with.
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#2 what Mike said . Oldtravler
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Table shoots are like over the log shoots, except the shooter sits at a table and rests the gun on a pyramid of boards. The range is usually 30 yards, at a shooter supplied spotter target, with an X target placed under. There are usually 10 - 1 shot matches. Closest to the X wins. Then the total “string” is measured for the 10 shots, and an overall winner declared.
The guns must be under 13# for the open class, and I believe some shoots have a squirrel rifle class under 9# and open sights. The 13# class can use fixed peep sights.
This was started for older shooters who have trouble with the physical effort of chunk gun matches and the peep sights are allowed for older eyes.
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Oakbow, Are these shoots being held in S. Ill? I am not too far from you, I think. ...Ed
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Ed, my club will try a table shoot for the first time, on May 6. It’s the Okaw Valley Muzzleloaders about 5 miles north of Ramsey. We shoot the first Sunday of the month. A lot of our members are older, and the table shoots look like a good fit.
Most of the shoots I’ve heard of are held in Kentucky, and Indiana. They are all about a 5 or 6 hour drive from me.
Chuck
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How about a picture or two of the table used in these shoots. Even a sketch or verbal description would help. Our group is always looking for some new type of match.
Thanks, David.
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And here I thought I'd see a table with a rifle built into it ... :-[ Or a rifle that folds out into a table ? ;)
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How about a picture or two of the table used in these shoots. Even a sketch or verbal description would help. Our group is always looking for some new type of match.
Thanks, David.
Smokinbuck here on the ALR is involved with that at Friendship I believe and can probably help you out with that request. Here is the only picture I have of the setup and it doesn't include the whole table. But basically the table is just a "T" shaped affair with the crossbar piece that holds the wooden pyramid rifle rest supported by two legs and the other end of the board is supported by one leg. I don't have the dimensions, but I'm pretty sure smokinbuck can help you out there.
Mole Eyes
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Another picture from MP Warners site.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/40580421095_dd7c81d4f7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24PXgoF)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/24PXgoF) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
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30 yards, peep sight, from a rest. Sounds easy, right? It ain't. Very competitive and a lot of fun.
-Ron
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Reminds me of the old point Hershel did way back yonder with the old fellow shooting on the ironing board.
Bob
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Print!
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I can send some pics to someone that can and will post them.
Mark
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Okay I'm going to show my true ignorance.
Do you take one shot off each position or step? That would be fun!
Ok now have your fun with my question. Oldtravler
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Hi Mike,
No, you rest your forestock or barrel on whichever step suits you and allows you to comfortably line up your sights on the target. You take one shot at your target, then wait for the next relay.
-Ron
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When you have those 10 shot matches do you use a different target for each shot?
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Do the table rifles have a flat bottom on the forend or are they rounded?
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No can’t blocks or flat fore ends allowed. The rifles should be “regular” hunting or old style target rifles.
As in chunk gun matches; one shot at each X target, that is pinned or stapled under your spotter target. There are normally 3 or 4 warm up shots to see where your group center is going to be for the day, and you set the X scoring target,( which is about 6” square), in the center of your group.
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Ron thanks for the info..Mike
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Ed, my club will try a table shoot for the first time, on May 6. It’s the Okaw Valley Muzzleloaders about 5 miles north of Ramsey. We shoot the first Sunday of the month. A lot of our members are older, and the table shoots look like a good fit.
Most of the shoots I’ve heard of are held in Kentucky, and Indiana. They are all about a 5 or 6 hour drive from me.
Chuck
OKAWBOW,,,,,, I have been there but its been a few years. I tried to e-mail Linda Miller but it was returned, who can I contact for info on your club?
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Here is the rear sight I'm trying. I made it with a slotted windage adjustment and 3 peep holes. It's mounted using the sight slot and a long tang bolt, so I didn't have to make any new holes. If it works, I may try to dress it up a little. The sights brought the total weight to just over 12.5#
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/40791371884_e0c014ebd1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/259ArHf)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/259ArHf) by okawbow (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/), on Flickr
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Oakabow,
If that rifle shoots as good as it looks you are going to be hard to beat.
Mark
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A few more coats of oil and then wax, and I’ll be ready to try it out.
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FfxEkNS%2FA3_FA6666_F2_B9_4_FE9_B07_B_F55_CB716_B977.jpg&hash=366007e55377d78e55a5a2208e7d3663bcfdd7c2) (http://ibb.co/dQdC2S)
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I shot at an old-fashioned table shoot, and the tables (there were two) were just standard wooden picnic tables. It was a six shot match with the X's cut into one board that had your number on it. Boards were put up and taken down as shooters rotated up the tables. We were shooting for beef and each shot could win a prize (there were more than six packages of beef), but shots that didn't cut the center of the X were not even measured.
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Posting these for Smokinbuck.
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Tim C.
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Excellent pictures of a table shoot - thanks.
I suspect that rifle will do well at this game.
Are flat spots on the underside of a full stock allowed for 'table' shooting.
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It is my understanding that no modifications are allowed that give an advantage over a traditional hunting or target rifle.
The idea is to keep the equipment simple so everyone can compete without needing to buy new equipment and get into a technology war.
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Oakawbow is correct, no cant blocks are allowed and if a fore stock were purposely built to act as one it would be disallowed. As said the game was designed to allow anyone with an offhand rifle that meets the weight requirement to play. there are two classes, one is the Hunter class for rifles 10# or under with open sights and the other is an Open class for rifles 13# or under and using peep sights. That allows anyone with a TC, CVA etc to not have to have a purpose built rifle. Rules have been established and accepted by the NMLRA and I can forward a package of information to anyone who wants one.
Mark
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Thanks guys - nice to hear.
Other shooting sports also started that way. Some fell into race gun shoots.
Others remained good events.