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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Brooks on May 24, 2018, 08:33:14 PM

Title: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Brooks on May 24, 2018, 08:33:14 PM

Been in the rack for awhile. Thought I posted it before, but couldn't find it. 48 1/2", 33" barrel, .38 cal. Adj. Rear lollipop sight.
The barrel is marked J. Clutz. The lock is marked Riddle.
To heavy to draw a bead standing.
(https://preview.ibb.co/ir3Ny8/IMG_20180517_202359.jpg) (https://ibb.co/izmLko)

(https://preview.ibb.co/bxdcWT/IMG_20180517_202407.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eYgaJ8)

(https://preview.ibb.co/d0EHWT/IMG_20180517_202422.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eQ7t5o)

(https://preview.ibb.co/hB5D5o/IMG_20180517_202451.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kdgWrT)

(https://preview.ibb.co/eJFrrT/IMG_20180517_202515.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i21mQo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mB80ko/IMG_20180517_203310.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gn3Y5o)

(https://preview.ibb.co/e7WLko/IMG_20180517_203446.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kYKUd8)

(https://preview.ibb.co/gjyNy8/IMG_20180517_203507.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iZiY5o)

(https://preview.ibb.co/dcFfko/IMG_20180517_203351.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5mWrT)

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: rich pierce on May 25, 2018, 12:18:04 AM

Nice!  How’s the bore?

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on May 25, 2018, 01:17:54 AM

A nice rifle from the percussion era.  Muzzle is turned for a bullet guide starter...likely has a twist rate for a picket or sugar loaf bullet rather than a ball.

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Brooks on May 25, 2018, 06:59:28 AM

The bore is in excellent condition. The original owner took very good care of her.

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: will payne on June 26, 2018, 09:35:02 PM

The hole gun is in great shape. Do you know the age it?

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: smokinbuck on June 27, 2018, 03:38:19 PM

Clutz was an Amish gun builder in Ohio, I'm drawing a blank on the county. 1860's - 1880's. Not an uncommon Ohio rifle, probably built for log or bench shooting.
Mark

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Longknife on June 27, 2018, 04:10:07 PM

Massillon Ohio is in Stark CO...…..

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Mike Brooks on July 02, 2018, 04:03:43 PM

I'm not sure the name "Clutz" would give his potential clients great confidence in his abilities.... ;)

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Gun_Nut_73 on July 02, 2018, 08:32:40 PM

A rifle to be proud of.  Worth getting a new false muzzle made to load it.

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Hungry Horse on July 02, 2018, 09:22:33 PM

She did’nt have a false muzzle. The turned section of the muzzle was there to receive a socket type bullet starter. As was stated, the barrel no doubt is either a bullet twist, or gain twist. This is a late period target rifle, possibly even made after cartridge rifles were common.

  Hungry Horse

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: KC on July 03, 2018, 06:24:37 PM

Are you sure that lock isn't marked "Biddle"? I have an old Ohio rifle with a Biddle lock, apparently they sold locks out of Philadelphia. I don't know if they were any relation to the Ohio gun maker Levi Biddle, probably were somehow.
K.C.

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: smokinbuck on July 03, 2018, 10:05:53 PM

KC,
I had a Levi Biddle rifle recently and it did not have a Biddle lock on it. I'm drawing a blank on what the name was but am certain it was not Biddle.
Mark

Title: Re: Old Heavy Rifle
Post by: Daryl on July 04, 2018, 09:20:30 PM

Quote from: Hungry Horse on July 02, 2018, 09:22:33 PM

She did’nt have a false muzzle. The turned section of the muzzle was there to receive a socket type bullet starter. As was stated, the barrel no doubt is either a bullet twist, or gain twist. This is a late period target rifle, possibly even made after cartridge rifles were common.

  Hungry Horse

Taylor's and HH's are my thoughts exactly.