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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Justin Urbantas on June 17, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
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A few people have shown some interest in having an ALR postal shoot.
I am over in BC, so sending all the targets to me for judging would probably be a pain for people in the U.S. Is there someone stateside who would volunteer to get targets mailed to them? I would suggest a shoot every two months with a single entry allowed. Maybe we can get some prizes together for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places. I can donate a little something. I came across this target that I thought would be a fun one for 5 shots offhand at 25 yards.
https://d3aya7xwz8momx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Target-Bear.pdf
What do you folks think?
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Good target..........I printed one. Print, shoot and send for scoring, or take a photo and send for scoring. No postage or other expense...easy way to have a postal shoot. I'm it...
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Justin
I would be willing to have targets mailed to me,
Fleener
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We already have a good format for targets at 100 and 200 yards. But we didn't get much in the way of participation...I was surprised. Maybe people prefer shooting at pistol range with rifles!
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We already have a good format for targets at 100 and 200 yards. But we didn't get much in the way of participation...I was surprised. Maybe people prefer shooting at pistol range with rifles!
That's why I like the English 1000 yard rifles but I am a minority within a smaller yet minority.
I used to rifle ranges up to 300 yards with the kind of pistols that we don't discuss here.
Last time was 1998 then my friend that owned the property died suddenly and no more of
that fun.
Bob Roller
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I have participated in a couple of postal shoots , both 5 shots at 25 yds with long rifles. Took forever sending them stateside from Australia, we will now email the target with a photo of the participant. No fees just braggin rights. I will say there has not been a great response from the crowd on that particular black powder sight. All the same I would be in !
Cheers
Gordon
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Thanks for suggesting this, Justin! I'm willing to try this as well.
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I'd be a pretty consistent shooter on this one too.
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We already have a good format for targets at 100 and 200 yards. But we didn't get much in the way of participation...I was surprised. Maybe people prefer shooting at pistol range with rifles!
What would you shoot at 100 and 200 for targets?
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The only problem with long range is many members don't have a place to shoot that far.
My observations are that if twenty people say they will shoot the actual will be 4 or 5.
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What would you shoot at 100 and 200 for targets?
Actually, I think your bear target is a 100 yard target. It's way too big for 25 yards.
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The 10 ring on this bear target is 7/16th, the 9 ring is 1 3/16th, that's a little small for a 100 yd off-hand target...............
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This one makes a pretty good 25 yard offhand target, with tight enough scoring rings to reduce ties.
Yeah- I know it says Airgunsmith Target.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iuzdpd/10_meter_airpistol.gif) (https://ibb.co/cVuB9d)
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I like the idea. But I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to targets. A single target from the NMLRA 6 bull target is difficult enough at 25 yards. It is doubly difficult at 50 yds. The NRA pistol repair center is quite challenging at a hundred.
We have plenty of ranges out west that can accommodate 200 & 300 yds.
But when I'm in the Midwest, clubs with more than 100 yd. ranges are not common.
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NRA targets are not readily available here. What we need, is a target that is available to everyone, England, USA, Australia and Canada.
Pic a target from a web site, that everyone can print off, then shoot - or as I did long ago, right here, was declare a target, then mail out
30 sets of targets and get 7 back shot. The last time we had a 200yard match, only 3 submissions out of 15 or so 'enlisted'. I guess we
posted out targets too early - ;).
Someone else can carry that torch, this time around.
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The B18 used in MLAIC matches should be universally available.
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maybe if somebody could photocopy a full sized target and make the file available to us all?
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I believe if you have another 200 yard match , you will be lucky to get three submissions. Really not that much 200 yd. offhand shooting going on with PRB. in the US. Silhouette and gong shooting being an exception. Not much of that either.
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Sure, lets pick a target, Justin, and mail in the results. 25 yards/meters is fine for a beginning, and we can go further if there is interest.
We can start a thread on which we can post our results. Just take a picture of your target and post it with your submission. But first, the target...The bear is fine if you have a link to it.
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A link to a printable target on A4 paper will be ideal,
Cheers
Gordon
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The bear is a PDF so should be easy to do.
Throw some rules and a deadline out and let's do it.
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I printed the bear and only got 2/3rds of the target. It did print the 10 ring, so I guess that's all I need.
:o ;D
I changed the settings to "General Print" and got a full page printout. The 10 ring is .422". Is this correct sizing?
7/16", noted above, is .438" (.4375").
Pretty small for a 100yard target.
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There are better printable targets from he Shooting Sports Foundation website for 100 yds. Daryl that Bear target would be very hard to see at 100 yds. with iron sights. The SSF website targets do not indicate what range the targets are intended for. There would not be any copyright infringement using their targets.
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Lots of targets here as well: http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/20011.pdf
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Looks like there'll have to be a committee and
some meetings.
bring coffee
and donuts. :P ;D
Let me say this right now. I'd love to, and might--but won't "commit" until I've got my moving done and have a regular shooting spot. Also that I can shoot up to 100 or so right now and will work on stretching it to 200 eventually.
Whatever target needs rings and a defined correct size. And is pretty much irrelevant to size/shape/color so long as spotters are used.
I think the last time I submitted an online target (pic) was a weak-handed revolver shoot. Rested was no issue, offhand was a bit more challenging. It has been a while. I do LOOK FORWARD to the day we do some of this shooting. Printing and posting pics saves me 8-10 hours of driving nearly every time. But I'm not quite just yet ready to play.
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Lots of targets here as well: http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/20011.pdf
I agree - this is a good web site for targets.
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I like the bear target; printed one out on 8.5" X 11". It works for me as a 25yd target. We're packing for our move to Maine so I'm not likely to be able to shoot this match. We need to have them on a regular basis.
By the way; is coloring some of the rings allowed?
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Same target - do what you have to, for visibility, hanshi. I certainly do not have a problem with that.
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Not sure if this will work but if it does, how would this be? This is half size to allow upload. It can be a full size in PDF
(https://image.ibb.co/h600QT/ALR_25_yd_postal.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
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I'm interested but only have access to a 100 yard range so shorter range is better for me. I don't care about what target is used so how about having one of the mods choose. Also, I work nights and have some mandatory OT on the schedule for the July 4 holiday so I'll need more time than some others to get it shot and mailed (or emailed) in.
Stuart
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We have in the past, had a month to participate in a postal match. That should give everyone who wants to, the opportunity to submit a target, or three.
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Taylor, when do you want to do this? I'm in.
Whomever Justin or Fleener? is running this, decide and pick a target and lets have at it.
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I attempted to load and print of the target, longcruise and ended up with one method of printing giving me a 10 ring of 1/2" diameter, with the other method of fitting the page, giving a bull 10 ring of 1 15/16".
Thus there is too much of a possibility of different sized target, depending on one's computer, printer ext.
I think choosing a site, such as www.targetz.com then a page and target #, is the best way. One need only right click on that target, paste to your desktop and print them off.
More instruction on doing this, as in step by step, can be provided if needed. Do not hesitate to ask if this sort of thing is difficult for you.
I only know how as my daughter showed me how some 20 years ago when she was a teenager.
As none of the targetz.com targets re numbered for scoring,
I thought this one might work: https://www.google.com/search?q=shooting+target+size+chart&client=firefox-b&sa=X&biw=640&bih=322&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=-GIKkEWHmQUvcM%253A%252CcgrXs2h_2wcXwM%252C_&usg=__kqkPb_GI1N5rGR8h7We3g3gjKuM%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiUhNicvOXbAhWdGTQIHa5IBD0Q9QEIKzAA#imgdii=Qo5XA1YmF09V5M:&imgrc=-vXB_1GHVgY9iM:
(https://image.ibb.co/foWOVT/Target.png) (https://ibb.co/bLBOVT)
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I do not know how to create a link to a pdf. The National Shooting Sports Foundation has a printable target that is similar to the target that Daryl just posted, nssf.org/targets.
The X ring measures 1inch, the 10 ring 1&15/16th", the9 ring 3&3/8ths", the 8th ring and overall black 4 3/4".
The overall target including the 7 and 6 rings that are in the white is 7&1/2".
There would not be any copyright infringement to use this target. Hope some one can post it for me.
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On the page having the target, highlight the address bar by swiping the address line with your mouse while holding down the left mouse key - or by left clicking in the middle of the address. Then right click on the highlighted address and then click on "copy" from the drop-down menu (which happened when you right clicked on the highlighted address.
Then go straight to a post here and left click in your 'reply' as you would before starting typing. Then, right-click on that cursor bar and select paste, left clicking on that paste word in the drop-down - done. Sounds complicated but is rather straight forward.
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The target I uploaded is an image. I should have uploaded a PDF. I'll put up a PDF later today.
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http://targets.s3.amazonaws.com/PDF/Bullseye1.pdf
Daryl thanks for the help. You can check out the target, let me know what you think.
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Nope, don't see a place to upload a pdf so it would have to be hosted somewhere and downloaded by link. I can do that but then again the one posted by alacran looks pretty good to go.
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I can upload a .pdf and provide a link. Just be sure its not a copyright violation.
Dennis
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http://targets.s3.amazonaws.com/PDF/Bullseye1.pdf
Daryl thanks for the help. You can check out the target, let me know what you think.
That seemed to work, alacran, howeverI get a 4.8" 8-ring. The X ring is just about exactly 1", which matches your description.
With the X ring right- that's all I need.
::)
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No worries about copyright since I made it myself. Not sure how to send it to you, Dennis?
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Just sent you a PM
Dennis
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Daryl I used a cheap promo tape measure I had by printer. Checked with calipers and 4.8 appears right to me for the 8 ring.
I think the target will work well at 25 and 50 yards. It might be hard for old eyes at 100.
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One problem with PDF target format is that not all printers print the same target in the same size. When it differs from the actual target size it's usually a slight reduction. I don't know if there is any practical way around that but it's probably not a big issue anyway.
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A Camel is a horse....designed by a committee! :o ::)
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LOL
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If all ya'll can pick a target, I will be in. My old "Kentucky" .45 is pretty accurate from prone at 100 yards, but being old and shaky, I am not too sure about offhand. But it will be fun finding out just how well my relaxation techniques work.
Here in Logan County, Ohio, we have a sportsman's club with good ranges out to 300 yards.
Haven't shot that "Kentucky" for over 3 years! Great excuse to get out and giterdone!
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THIS old man's eyes are pretty darn good now.
I was always very near sighted, like 20/400 in both eyes. Couple years back, I thought my eyes were getting worse, couldn't read speed limit signs too good, s went to the eye doc. Turned out to be cataracts!
The surgeon that did the surgery was a fellow target shooter, so the new lenses gives me 20/20 in the left eye, 20/15 in my right (dominant) eye. For the first time in my life, I could see tree leaves at over 100 yards!
The surgery took about 10 min, very quick, totally painless. You can immediately see just fine! I do have to wear reading glasses now, and appreciate the eyeball protection they give me.
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That's great news, Craig - just remember to wear some form of safety or even shooting glasses whenever shooting guns - any guns.
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Posted this .pdf file for Longcruise. Its is stored on ALR's server and can remain here for as long as it is useful. If it is not going to be used please notify me so I can delete it.
Dennis
http://americanlongrifles.org/PDF/ALR_25_yd_postal.pdf
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Funny thing, Dennis- the X is not in the middle of that read X-ring.
I ran off a few of them. I measure the 10 ring as 1.927", using an optivisor for a closer look.
Looks good to me, but would not be able to shoot that further than about 25 yards. 4" dia. bull is
about my minimum for 50" shooting.
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I will shoot the target I linked to on Thursday. That is if the weather permits. Little Joe and I are hoping to have a range day before I go back to AZ. I will shoot it at 25 & 50 yards.
This Midwest rain forest can throw a monkey wrench into outdoor plans.
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I printed off a bunch too...will get out and shoot it next week. Are we scoring 'half ball' for high score, or just touching the ring?
I'd need a 'bud' of about 4" to shoot this target at 50 meters. Is that allowed, or is this a seeing competition rather than a shooting one?
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Please explain a "bud" of about four inches.
I have no problem with either scoring method. NRA scoring would be simpler.
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Your scoring should be half ball in, as touching a ring gives a big bore the advantage.
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Your scoring should be half ball in, as touching a ring gives a big bore the advantage.
Little Joe is right, score with the center of the ball.
Way back when I was shooting at crossed straws, edge of playing cards or a split the ball, I was using a .40cal. rifle. The guy's would tell me to upgrade to a .50 or .54 I told them if they would shoot with the center of the ball instead of the outside edge they would be better shots!
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Please explain a "bud" of about four inches.
I have no problem with either scoring method. NRA scoring would be simpler.
The 'bud' Taylor is talking about, is an aiming circle, or bullseye, overlaying the target somewhere to allow better vision.
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A 'bud' is a disc of black paper pinned over the bull to give a better aiming point. They are almost always used in chunk, plank, and table shoots. The idea is to place your bud so that your shots go through the centre of the bull, no matter how your rifle is sighted. In fact, shooters deliberately sight their rifles to hit in another place other than their aiming point, so that their aiming point does not deteriorate during the match. That is not my concern in the case of this ALR postal match...just to give me a sight picture that I can see at 50 meters.
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Taylor I just had never heard a spotter called a "bud" before. Maybe its a Canadian thing.
However I am confused. The target that I linked to has a 4&3/4 inch black. If you put a 4" bud" over it, it isn't going to help you any.
As far as I'm concerned if you want to put a 12" "bud" over it, is fine with me.
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Taylor I just had never heard a spotter called a "bud" before. Maybe its a Canadian thing.
However I am confused. The target that I linked to has a 4&3/4 inch black. If you put a 4" bud" over it, it isn't going to help you any.
As far as I'm concerned if you want to put a 12" "bud" over it, is fine with me.
The scoring rings on the link you posted. alacran, are not the same as the one Dennis posted. The 10 rings are very close,
but the 9 through 5 are almost twice as wide as the 9 through 6 rings on the target Dennis posted.
If we all do not shoot the same target, this 'contest' is meaningless.
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I'm in!
Roger B.
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Have we settled on a target yet? I'm fine with all that have been offered up so far. Let's pick one decide on distance and start shooting.
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I printed out the target that Dennis posted and think it would be fine at 25 yards.
I shot the one I posted at both25 & 50 yards. I think it is acceptable for both 25 & 50 yards. However I like the one Dennis posted better for 25 yds. I wish I had printed one out before I went to the range.
I agree with longcruise lets pick something.
I vote for the one that Dennis posted at 25yards. I prefer the one I posted for 50 yards.
I suggest I/2 ball in the ring for score. 5 shot practice warm up on different target. Then shoot for score
Simple rules
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Where is Justin? C'mon you started this so go ahead and make the decisions and lay down the rules. It's all good fun, we just need to be on the same page.
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Sorry guys. I have been off the grid for a bit. I am personally not the biggest fan of shooting regular bull targets. I prefer something with more fun to it. Like the bear target, a red coat target, poker target, the nightmare, etc.. Poking holes in circles is okay, but that's what every other shooting discipline does too. It's just my two cents on it.
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We don't care what the target is...just want you to tell us one we can all print, and we'll get to it.
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I would say that we go with the one Dennis posted for this month, and I'll find another for next week.
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I'm in!
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Are we going to mail them to some one or post them here? What is the deadline?
~Tony
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Is it 25 or 50 yards? Post a picture or email it?
I'm in.
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I had a bit "free" time on the farm today so I shot the ALR postal shoot.
a couple practice shots
25 yds.
5 shots
40 cal. flint
open iron sights (rear sight adjustable Micro sight)
target suggested by Dennis
I hope this is what we are supposed to do. If your looking for different 25 yd targets I have plenty of unique targets just say the word. Steve
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I think what Steve did is perfect for our first one. 25 yards with 5 shots on target for score. I would start a new thread on here where we can all post our targets. I would say we set the deadline for August 1st. Next month we will have more time to get better organized.
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Good for you Steve to step up and get this rolling. Nice shooting too!
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Looks like Steve won't be able to compete next month. The corn will be too high.
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Very nice shooting! I’ll have mine in the next week or so!
~Tony
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Downloaded the target that Steven V shot. Hope to make use of it shortly. And yes, the "X" is off-center.
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Oh well, an X is an X!
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Who cares where in the "X"ring the "X" is printed? Remove the "X" with the first or second ball...there, that's better.
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Easy for you to say, Taylor! ;D ;D ;D
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Fired at the target today. Didn't really matter where the "X" was though! I'd score it (attached below) as 33-0X.
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god poem (https://poetandpoem.com/god)
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Let me solve the "X mystery". :)
When i made the target in Open Office Draw I did the numbers and the X across one text box. It's the whole text box that's slightly off.
I'm alibiing with 71 year and 355 days old eyes.
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There's nothing wrong with the target. From 25 yards, No one can see the letter "X" on the bull anyway, I submit!
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The X in the bullseye does not matter at all - I was just joshing about it not being in the exact centre - it matters not.
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I knew you were kidding about it but thought I'd explain it.
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I have the targets printed - maybe Taylor wants to shoot this before the end of the month? huh - Taylor?
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I am going to have to bail out on this and the next couple month's postal shoots. Looks like a whale of a good time, and some good joshing amongst competitors.
But, going to be laid up for about 3-4 months. My heart will be with all of you - hoping to see some 5-X targets posted.
Hmmmm. May use my shotgun.....
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Five shots at 25 yards with a 12 gauge ... something like 475 pellets per shot x 5...should give a decent group. But how to score it?
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Not many targets posted. I shot this on 21 July. Started out pretty good. Being a cheap SOB, I was trying to squeeze all the life I could from my flint. On my fifth shot I had a kletch. I looked at my flint and it still looked and felt sharp. But I needed to move it forward. Just as this happened the RO called a two minute warning. I loosened the jaw and realigned my flint. Mind you I had already shot close to thirty shots with this flint. So I get on target squeeze and kletch---Boom. Long story short three tens a nine and Maggie's drawers. A 39, O well.
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First post here. Thought I would get in on the postal shoot .
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good shooting PK
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Not many targets posted. I shot this on 21 July. Started out pretty good. Being a cheap SOB, I was trying to squeeze all the life I could from my flint. On my fifth shot I had a kletch. I looked at my flint and it still looked and felt sharp. But I needed to move it forward. Just as this happened the RO called a two minute warning. I loosened the jaw and realigned my flint. Mind you I had already shot close to thirty shots with this flint. So I get on target squeeze and kletch---Boom. Long story short three tens a nine and Maggie's drawers. A 39, O well.
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Well Mc Scrooge Alacran. What page of excuses is that hang fire on?
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Alcran, Taylor and I shot the postal match today as well. I also shot a 39 with 4 of my shots. LOL I think Taylor has the targets.
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Little Joe, It is on page 3 of your book. Right after " I missed because my liner blew out of the barrel" LOL.
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Little Joe, It is on page 3 of your book. Right after " I missed because my liner blew out of the barrel" LOL.
You got your books mixed up. mine is the thick one. Liner page 67. :o :o :o :o
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Forgot to mention, darn good target for 4 shots.
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Baer Killr wants in on the action as soon as his human gets healed up. I just got my left shoulder replaced last week.
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Daryl and I went out yesterday and shot the postal match. My only comment: we both need to practice a lot more paper target shooting. This is not as easy as I thought it would be, and no where near what it was fifty years ago!! Here's our targets, and the rifles we used to do it.
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(https://preview.ibb.co/m9jLDo/100_8224.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cXmp68)
I shot a 49 2X after this one, but this is the one I called for score.
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Taylor I found that small target to be a real strain. The harsh white background glares in the Arizona sun. Might print it on some tan paper next time.
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That's enough fooling around with scratch locks. I'm going to use my
cap gun next time - might not be for a while, though.
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Talor, I tried to access the target on IMGUR, I just bring up my own account. I can print out the other target that is further down this string, will that be ok? I will be able to shoot it next week
cheers
Gordon
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I'd rather see you post any target than none at all Heelerau. Go for it.
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Are we starting a new shoot for August? Will it be the same target as July, 5 shots at 25 yards offhand? If so I might give it a try. I was recently diagnosed with a bone disease in both shoulders and this makes offhand shooting really difficult. This is the same malady that caused me to get a total knee and total hip replacement.
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I'd like to submit a target for August too. It forces me to take the time to get out to the range with a different rifle. If you don't shoot all your rifles regularly, they get a pout on, and refuse to shoot centre.
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I'm in if we do it again.
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I'd be willing to give it a shot.
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I will shoot a target later in the week, who do I email it to?
Cheers
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OK, let’s get this August smoothbore shoot going. Shot my target this a.m. 25 yds offhand. Warmed up on a 4” gong.
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Nice target.
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Nice shooting, PK. Btw, I moved your post/target here: http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=50403.0
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It has been too long since I have gotten out to the range and seeing the posted targets was too much. I printed off one and realized the ink in the printer was not giving a red center. Had to break out the magic marker to finish it up. My practice target was not half bad but I needed to do a better job of keeping the group in the rings. At least all the bullets went in side the rings that's about all I can say for now. I will have to do better next go round. That smooth bore target posted earlier was amazing.
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The bitter sweet of this was during the loading I thought I felt a loose point I don't recall ever being in the barrel. When cleaning back at home it was much more obvious, I managed to ring the barrel at some point in the past. I will have to cut it off about 8" up from the breach plug to remove the ring section. Drat it all. :-\
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My main pump went haywire about a fortnight ago, and hadn't been to go the range since then.
Went yesterday to function fire a smooth bore I just finished for a friend. Shot three rounds with the smoothie. It didn't blow and actually put all three rounds into the black of a pistol target.
Got the old .54 Hawken out. Placed a postal target at 25 yds. and went at it.
Sunny day 79degrees at 1:30 PM. Wind variable 12 to 15 MPH. Life is good
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Alacran Its obvious you shot on a heart beat. Try in between beats, you will shoot an x not a seven. :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Alacran Its obvious you shot on a heart beat. Try in between beats, you will shoot an x not a seven. :o :o :o :o :o :o
The beats were going too fast after the 4 shot group. :)
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Gentlemen, a mate and I shoot a regular postal shoot for another site. This was a tin cup target on A4 paper shot at 25 yards. I used my late fathers' Missouri style plains rifle. 90 grains of ffg two 10 thou pre greased patches and a 490 ball. I had not shot this rifle in nearly 30 years. My Black Powder club had a camping weekend on a farm west of York, hosted by a lovely old couple, long time club members and wonderfull hosts. Lots of fun, and good food and good shooting. I include a shot of some of us, one of the chaps inveigled me into wearing a dead possum on my head!
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I realise its not the same target as on this thread, but hope it will do !
cheers
Gordon
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Gordon, with a nice hat like that why would you want to wear a dead ole possum on yer hayed.
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Nice group Gordon!