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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: Tim Crosby on June 20, 2018, 03:05:12 PM
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Slow work but it is coming along, no rush and having other things to do maybe a couple inches a day.
Tim
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Looks like it’s coming right along. Can’t tell from the pictures...hickory or maple?
Greg
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Looks like you are using the trick of turning the head backwards as you work it up the handle.
I've done that job a couple of times now, and one thing I've figured out is that it is a lot better to get the handle blank as close to finished dimensions as possible before starting to fit the head. If you leave too much wood on, difference in angle where the finished handle meets the stuff you are trying to remove tends to make the edge of the rasp dig into the handle and take gouges out of places where you want the wood intact. Hard to explain in words, but hopefully you understand what I mean.
The last time I fitted a tomahawk handle I used a 6" block plane for most of the work, and was able to get a straight handle without removing any more wood than absolutely necessary. Since the eye of the cast tomahawk head I was using was none too large, that was an important point.
I also make a point of fitting axe heads in the winter, when the humidity is low and the wood isn't going to shrink any further, but that might be more of a consideration with wedged handles than with fiction-fit ones.
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I has been raining here so I got some more work done. Pretty much where it's going to end up, now to shape things up and decided what kind of cap, mouth piece, inlays to do.
I took the bowl off so if dropped it would not break off, BTDT.
More to come.
Tim C.
PS: Greg, it is Maple. TC
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Good job. keep the photos coming.
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This is definetly a tedious job. I've done a couple now and it takes some time.
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Tim, after you do a couple dozen of them you can rough one out in thirty minutes. That's about what it take me now days.
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Lookin’ good, Tim. I have a bunch of cut offs of maple, hickory, and white oak from some logging my son-in-law has been doing. I need to split out some handle blanks and get ‘em put up to dry.
I’m assuming you drill the smoke hole first, then shape the handle around it? (Edit: never mind, I found your tutorial!)
Greg
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Here are a few more Pix, I have decided to wrap a Snake around the haft. One Pic shows a piece of angle iron being used to straighten the haft, a Black mark shows where material needs to be removed. Next is the snake pattern laid out on a piece of Brass and attached with Two sided tape. The inlay cut out, I used a fine toothed blade on the Band Saw, it has been shaped up. Painted it White so I can draw the pattern on it, last shows a test drawing on paper.
I am going to engrave it before it is inlayed, this should be a trip curving it around the haft, probably start with head and work my way around. Before it is set in I need to decide on the shape and material to use for the the Mouth Piece, Antler or Pewter so it fits the design. Laso haven't decided if I will put the cap, Pewter and mouth piece on before the snake.
Hopefully there will be more :D
Tim C.
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Pretty ambitious project, look forward to seeing the finished project.
Mark
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A little more work. The end cap is short and will be covered buy the Eye, it needs to be worked down so the head will fit. Both pieces need to be final shaped and polished.
The final Pic is of the Snake, it is engraved but I am thinking that I will make some changes to its size. After that anneal it and start to inlet, head first I'm thinking wrapping and inletting as I go.
Tim
Here is the mouth piece trimmed up for pouring, I am using a piece of 1/4" OD to strengthen it.
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This shows the dam wrapped around the haft for pouring.
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This is it after the pour, dam removed.
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Brass tube trimmed.
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Cleaned up a little, you can see the design starting to come out.
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The dam set up to pour the end cap.
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Dam removed.
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Snake.
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Tim an FYI for a future build. I just returned from Valley Forge. There is a pipe hawk on display in the museum there and the mouthpiece (tip) appears to be horn. Just another option.
Thanks for sharing your work. Always interesting!
Fred
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Not sure how inlaying this snake is going to work out. One thing is I am having trouble getting the entire thing hot enough to anneal, as one section gets hot and is quenched the spot next to it seems to harden back up, gonna try a different heat source today. A few more Pix:
Another of work on the pewter cap.
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The piece for the Brass cap being fit.
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Brass rough shaped.
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Snake wrapped around haft.
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Snake clamped for bending/ rough fitting.
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Progress on bending/fitting.
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Brass cap temporarily attached to the Pewter, some steel pins will be added.
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That’s gonna be a pretty epic hawk!
Greg
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That snake is beyond cool.
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Oh man that is coming out nice. My wallet is very, very scared. The snake is inspired. You never cease to amaze me Renaissance Man. God bless, Marc
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Well the snake is making its way in. The last time I did a Silver wire vine with leaves around a pipe hawk haft I said I would never do it again, just like everybody else...I didn't listen, the wire was easier.
Tim
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I’m thinking about the challenges of inletting this snake. The inner diameter of the snake spiral is greater when sitting on top of the handle for tracing/stabbing in, than when inletted. I’d think you might best inlet the head and keep working backwards toward the tail bit by bit to accommodate this. Was that your approach?
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That's it, file a bit of a draft on it and it gets Nut'z. Started at the head, working my way down, the flat sides are not to bad but the edges/curve fit are touchy to say the least. Notice that the head is a bit wide and covers Two planes. The scales were done before inletting so I need to get it as close as I can to avoid filing. Not to mention the fact that as I inlet it it stretches farther down the haft! I should have spent more time in the planning stages, funny many times I have been accused of over engineering, must be getting old.
Tim
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Wonderful work and design. I’m inspired to borrow snake design and woodburn it into one of my axe handles or walking staffs. Already used one on a walking staff that was from a found pottery plate from an Indian mound at Tuscaloosa AL Moundville State Park. It was a stylized rattler. Enjoy your work and creativeness. Love this site!
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Tim, are you taking it to the CLA in August? I'll have to stop by and take a look at it. Looks good so far.
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Man, this is giving me all sorts of ideas...
Greg
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We need more photos! 🙂
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I would never attempt such a thing because I would make a total mess of it. It's going to be very cool and I look forward to seeing it done.
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We need more photos! 🙂
I have been pretty busy trying to get the farm/barn ready for the 4th of Jul party, this thing has taken on a mind of its own!
As for the Snake, it is a slow process, lots of bending, fitting, annealing, fitting annealing, repete. One slip and it fire wood or make another snake to fit, what with the heat it would probably be a new snake, quite a learning experience. Read self teaching/lean as you go. I've got to decide how I am going to hold it in place, thinking steel or brass pins but then filing them flush and messing up the scales is something else to work on.
Tim
PS: B, if I get it finished I will bring it along, may anyway.TC
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There is a lot of cool going on there.
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Tiim, get off the grill duty and back on inlay work. We're waiting..... ;-)
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Great job, Tim. Look forward to seeing it in Lex.
Bob
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Wow! Just wow.
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Tim,
Great project, am enjoying the pictures like everyone else. For fastening the snake to the pipe without disturbing the scales, why not solder small pins to the backside of the snake and push them home as you go around the haft?
Mark
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Tim,
Great project, am enjoying the pictures like everyone else. For fastening the snake to the pipe without disturbing the scales, why not solder small pins to the backside of the snake and push them home as you go around the haft?
Mark
That is one possibility, the problem with it is that the snake is curled around the haft and at this point I don't want to straighten it back out and fit it again.
I am thinking of some .040 pins that may become part of the design. I've still got a long way to go with final fitting.
Tim
Tim
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The final little bit to be cut in, There is still a lot of final fitting to do. Blacken, fir, tap, remove wood, anneal, repeat.
Tim C.
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Progress, still a lot of work to do. There a 12 pins in there. Losing a lot of the scales but I expected that early on. Just have to be careful adding them back.
Tim
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Slowly getting there, Pic of each side.
Tim
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Looks like it’s coming right along. Are you going to have to re-cut most of your engraving, or will you be able to salvage any?
Greg
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Here's a couple Pix of the haft, stained and with some finish on it and the head in the finishing process.
I did not have much luck getting the scales back in place, to many curves to make a clean cut and no good way to hold the odd shape. Still trying to figure out a way but right now only a few of the original show, looks worn.
Tim
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Looking good, Tim. That’s gotta be one of the most difficult inlays I can imagine...not sure I’d want to tackle it!
Greg
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That is going fantastic Tim. You may see flaws, but it looks super from here. God Bless, Marc
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Thank you very much for posting the progress of this project. I have been reading this thread with much interest. I have never done a pipe hawk before, but a question occurs to me:
How will you get the head on the handle without disturbing the inletting and pewter casting?
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Thank you very much for posting the progress of this project. I have been reading this thread with much interest. I have never done a pipe hawk before, but a question occurs to me:
How will you get the head on the handle without disturbing the inletting and pewter casting?
The haft and eye are tapered, the eye on the head being larger than the haft it slides up the haft with out touching it until it reaches the mounting position.
Tim C.
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Tim,
WOW, just WOW. Look forward to seeing this one in person.
Mark
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Fine work,as usual, Tim. Can’t wait to see it.
Bob
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I think its coming together awesome. I love watching you guys do your inlays,,,whatever kind it may be. Thanks for posting great pics of the process. I've yet to do my first on a project but think its on the horizon. I'm following this thread. -Aaron
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Well here it is, still no scales. 19" overall, 7" head, threaded Antler cleanout.
Tim C.
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That one stands out in a crowd. Nicely done.
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Wicked work. -Aaron
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Oooh. That came out even better than expected. And I had high expectations on this hawk. That snake is just too cool. I like the metal finishes too. Well done!
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Very, very nice...and unique! In some ways I hate to check this site...you guys are always giving me more project ideas... :o
Looks great Tim...you bringing it to Lexington?
Greg
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WOW Tim this is just outstanding, you have done a beautiful job on this pipe hawk. Brian Barker says he can rough one out in 30 minutes, it took me longer than that just to read all of this. :o Thanks Tim for sharing this project with us, your work is stellar. I think I'll stick to making rifle pouches. :D
Regards
Frank Barker
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Oh yes, I love the eyes on the snake.
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Thanks guys. Yes Greg I will have it at Lexington.
Tim