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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: D. Taylor Sapergia on October 15, 2018, 08:52:33 PM
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Has no one shot this match yet? I confess to being delinquent.
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I must have missed it. The last I saw was the September match for smoothies that also allowed pistols. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Joe
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I shot it several weeks ago using a ROA revolver, Taylor. Frankly, I've had better targets, but I'll photograph it soon and post the miserable results here.
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I was going to go today. It snowed most of the morning, then it turned to rain. Didn't want to drive to the range to find it closed. Weather is supposed to be dry this weekend if it is I will go Saturday. It is supposed to be cold. The range doesn't close for low temps.
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I must be a complete idiot..... where’s the target located ? Which Forum?
Thanks, I’m sure it right under my nose . LOL
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Here you go, Smo
As per D. Taylor Sapergia's suggestion, there will be an October SB Postal Match. All you've got to do is take 5 shots at the linked target at 25 yd. or meters and post a photo/pic of it here. This is just for fun, and the results thus far, e.g., September, have been wonderful, but the comments even better. Hope to see your targets here, and have fun! Paul.
Here's a link to the target, courtesy of long cruise & Dennis G.: http://americanlongrifles.org/PDF/ALR_25_yd_postal.pdf 5 shots, as per past practice.
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Alacran I wish you were here NO wind, 72 degrees, perfect light. ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So, is this for cap n ball revolvers too?
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The October Postal match, as we discussed last month, was for pistols, not Smoothbores. We've had a rifle match and a smoothbore match. Now we'll do a pistol match. It matters not to me if you want to handicap yourself with a revolver...still a muzzle loader in my books. This is for fun and camaraderie. Weather has turned nice and above freezing here, so I'll shoot mine soon. Nice to see the firearm as well as the target, lads. Good shooting!!
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Nicely done Maven!
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One or two hands?
Dale H
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Where did Mavens target go? Maven I overlayed your target on an actual repair center. It would have scored at least a 45. Typically pistol matches consist of ten shots, shot offhand , that is one handed. That is not a bad target. Taylor I do not understand how he is handicaping himself with a revolver. Have seen quite a few 100's shot with a revolver. If my memory serves there is one record shot at the Spring shoot at Friendship of 100 with 7 x's.
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alacran, Taylor, et. al., Here's where my target went:
Maven
Our rules do not allow cap and ball or any other revolver discussions or photos. Please review our rules here: http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=42270.0
I removed your post shipments revolver.
Thanks
Dennis
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If’n I shoot a rifle one-handed would it count? Just kidding, need to make a pistol.
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Rules are rules. The weapon in question definitely not a sidelock.
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alacran, Taylor, et. al., Here's where my target went:
Maven
Our rules do not allow cap and ball or any other revolver discussions or photos. Please review our rules here: http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=42270.0
I removed your post shipments revolver.
Thanks
Dennis
Maven,
If you and the match coordinators are ok with you shooting guns that are not allowed by ALR rules I have no qualms with that at all. Just don't post conversations or photos of those guns here on ALR. You are welcome to shoot whatever rules the match coordinators allow you to shoot.
Dennis
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Dennis & alacran, This is why I used the firearm that I did:
"It matters not to me if you want to handicap yourself with a revolver...still a muzzle loader in my books." ...D. Taylor Sapergia
Oh, since that was the only BP pistol I own, it was use it or not enter the Postal Match at all. (And that's the last II'm going to say about it!)
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Thanks for post the target Maven .
I’ll shoot it next week .... early next week. LOL
Didn’t see an answer one hand or two? Thanks
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You're most welcome, Smo!
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As the rules question has come up I think it would have been wise to shoot there target,s and rules so you would have something to compare your target to. At the local clubs we always fall back to there rule book on ties safety ect.
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How do we participate in these postal shoots? I just recently joined a BP club.
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I will defer to Maven for the ruling on one hand or two. Personally, I like shooting with both hands...it's the way I was trained, and I certainly do better that way. But if the shoot organizer wants it to be one handed, I'm still game.
I'd rather see participants in the match instead of eliminating potential subscribers over a guns/rule issue.
To enter, shoot the postal target and post an image of it here. It's just for fun, so get some!
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Dale H., Sorry I took so long to answer, as I wasn't sure your question was addressed to me. In short, 2 hands are perfectly acceptable for the October Postal Match.
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Thanks Maven: appreciate that.
There are those who say, "it's a handgun...not a handsgun." My sense of it is, we're looking for the best we can do, not the best we can do with limitations. But as long as the field is level, we're all on the same page.
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Lovely clear blue sky day, 13 C (no idea anymore what that is in Foreignheat), but comfy. Bit of a wind making holding interesting. Shot two targets with the same score, but this one has more tens.
Pistol is one I made as a Christmas gift for my wife's parents back in the last Century. Both are gone now, so I have the pistol back. It's fun to shoot!
.54 cal. pistol twist barrel
.530" pure lead ball and .018" denim patch with spit
requires a six o'clock hold with a bit of light under the bull for this sized target at 25 yards.
Last shot is the one in the 6 ring at 2 o'clock, naturally! Ha!! Sucks to be mortal.
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I think I have some balls for my .45 barrel, Taylor - wanna try again?
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Impressive target, Taylor! (Good looking pistol too!) :)
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That's a nice target, Taylor!
What's the overall spread, C-C? (I don't have this target)
I have an old pistol I was hoping to try, but we are now finally into Harvest!....after 6 weeks of miserable and cold and freezing weather.
Shorts weather again!
Question;
Many old British traveling pistols were used for target practice, (as in, get home, fire off the pistol at a mark, and re-load for the next outing)
Why do they shoot so High usually? Mine shoots about 2 feet high at 25 yards. Consistent but High.
Yes, I know the "belt buckle" was the aim, but even at that, 2 feet is pretty high, and yes, 25 yards would not be seen as a close threat, and most shots on an aggressor would be close (say 10 yards ) to just a bit further than arms reach.
Any ideas Taylor?
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Went to the range yesterday. I thought I had two targets, but i only had one. So I posted it. My pistol is set up to shoot the standard 25yd pistol target. That is 6 o'clock hold shot with one hand. I burned the first shot trying to figure where to hold. The only pistol that I shoot with two hands is an unmentionable. This is the third time I have shot this pistol.
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I hate when that happens, alacran! OTOH, it's a VG target considering you've only fired that pistol 3 times.
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I agree that it is difficult to produce a target with five shots scoring well...always seems we have to throw one in the toilet. That's a nice looking pistol Alacran.
Richard: I have a theory about why pistols need such a high front sight to shoot centre. The muzzle velocity of my .60 cal J & S Hawken pistol is just over 500 fps with the 25 gr. charge of 3Fg. It may be that the recoil of the pistol raises the point of impact as the ball lalligags along its way out of the muzzle. In other words, barrel time causes the ball to strike high. A high front sight starts the muzzle pointing low enough. Does that make any sense?
Daryl, I'd like to have another go at this with my Hawken pistol. We don't shoot these things enough to get good at it, so this is a great opportunity.
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I have a theory about why pistols need such a high front sight to shoot centre. The muzzle velocity of my .60 cal J & S Hawken pistol is just over 500 fps with the 25 gr. charge of 3Fg. It may be that the recoil of the pistol raises the point of impact as the ball lalligags along its way out of the muzzle. In other words, barrel time causes the ball to strike high. A high front sight starts the muzzle pointing low enough. Does that make any sense?
Taylor, that is exactly why the front sight has to be higher than the rear sight - not only with muzzleloading pistols & revolvers, but with modern ones as well.
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Daryl and I went out to our club range again today. This time I shot my J & S Hawken copy from 1979. It has a Richard Hoch .60 cal barrel with pistol twist, wide grooves narrow lands. The pistol has been good to both of us in the past posting some excellent winning scores. After shooting some good targets with his own pistol, I loaned him mine, and he shot the target posted here. Weather is crystal clear without a cloud, and 9 C. We had the range to ourselves.
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This last picture is of the primitive sights.
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Can you use a colt 1860 in these pistol postal shoots? That’s the only BP pistol I have.
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Taylor & Darryl that is some good shooting!
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Nevermind after seeing that target!! 🤣
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Wow, Daryl!!!
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"Can you use a colt 1860 in these pistol postal shoots? That’s the only BP pistol I have."
afghanvet, Yes you can, but you can't post a pic of the gun. (I was in the same boat as you, btw.)
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Taylor, Beautiful pistol! And a shooter too boot!
How is the rear sight mounted ? Dove tail?
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Very nice results, bith Taylor and Daryl!!
Re shooting high;
Yes, a taller fore-sight would help, but am still wondering why they did not fit these usually when they were shooting target with them.
Also, I do understand that sights may have become worn down a little over the last couple of hundred years....
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Taylor was that black circle on bottom right used as a spotter? I would have used a spotter if i knew where to put it.
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The black spot to which you are referring is not a spotter. It is a pre-cut patch and a .595" ball. The rear sight on this pistol is cast into the standing breech tang. The front sight is a german silver casting dovetailed into the barrel. With this load and range, I had to use a six o'clock hold in the eight ring to hit the bull. Daryl found that he could use the same hold kissing the bull. We see the sights differently. Speaking of seeing the sights, I could never have achieved this kind of accuracy prior to my right eye lens replacement in May. It's hard to put into words how significant the improved vision has been to me. In truth, I have NEVER had better vision than I enjoy currently. Now if I could get my rifles to shoot this well!!
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Don't let him kid you - he won ALL the rifle events he entered at Hefley Rendezvous this year.
I was on a bucket list cross country trip and missed the "pleasure" of watching him take, what was it? 19 1sts?
Told ja, going to be difficult to beat him now that he can see.
My 1st three shots with his pistol were good, but landed left but typical touching holes for this handgun the last time I shot it - about 1986.
We used to do exactly what Taylor has just done, but without the excessive tearing of the paper, with that handgun. It is a
phenomenal gun to shoot- extremely accurate and easy to shoot well - with a bit of practice.
More than a couple guys have tried to buy that pistol from Taylor. He would be a VERY foolish move to sell it.
I need more practice - obviously. With my own pistol, I shot a couple 41's.
The single set trigger on his is very nice.
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Shall we do another rifle match for November?
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I think 50 yards and a different target is in order.