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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: R.J.Bruce on May 23, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
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Greetings!
For those of you that hunt with a smoothbore, I would like to pose the following questions.
1. What gauge smoothbore/smoothbores do you hunt with?
2. What animal/animals do you choose to hunt?
3. What shot size/sizes do you pair up with what particular animal/animals?
4. What type of shot do you shoot with: chilled lead, magnum lead, copper-plated lead, nickel-plated lead, bismuth, tungsten, ITX, steel, etc.
5. Are there any tricks/techniques applicable to your particular style of hunting, or the animals that you hunt?
Thanks for your responses,
R.J.Bruce
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Greetings!
For those of you that hunt with a smoothbore, I would like to pose the following questions.
1. What gauge smoothbore/smoothbores do you hunt with?
2. What animal/animals do you choose to hunt?
3. What shot size/sizes do you pair up with what particular animal/animals?
4. What type of shot do you shoot with: chilled lead, magnum lead, copper-plated lead, nickel-plated lead, bismuth, tungsten, ITX, steel, etc.
5. Are there any tricks/techniques applicable to your particular style of hunting, or the animals that you hunt?
Thanks for your responses,
R.J.Bruce
This is a little embarrassing but I have used a 20 ga shotgun for squirrels. I use 1 oz of #5 or #6 shot in a square load (equal volume of powder). Nothing special. Powder then overshot was then cushion was then shot then hard wad. Bang.
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Greetings!
For those of you that hunt with a smoothbore, I would like to pose the following questions.
1. What gauge smoothbore/smoothbores do you hunt with?
2. What animal/animals do you choose to hunt?
3. What shot size/sizes do you pair up with what particular animal/animals?
4. What type of shot do you shoot with: chilled lead, magnum lead, copper-plated lead, nickel-plated lead, bismuth, tungsten, ITX, steel, etc.
5. Are there any tricks/techniques applicable to your particular style of hunting, or the animals that you hunt?
Thanks for your responses,
R.J.Bruce
I have hunted with guns from 28 bore to 10 bore.
I have hunted mostly pheasants.
I shoot #4's for all hunting.
I don't know/care what my shot is made of as long as it's lead.
My technique is don't miss. If I do miss often on a hunt I'll start making up tall tales to tell about why I missed so much.
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My current gun is a 20 and does well with #4 shot. In truth, so far the shot loads have only been used on targets and not on game. The gun mostly devours ball for taking game. Just my experience but a swarm of tiny shot only works for very small feathered game.
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I have used a 20 gauge fowler exclusively for squirrels and rabbits for almost 20 years now.
I made a mix of copper plated #4's and #6's that I have been using for a long time now. I wish I hadn't done it, but when you toss a 25 pound bag of 4's into a bucket with 25 pounds of 6's....well, I'm not sorting it back out and I'm too cheap to toss it out.
As I remember it was all the rage when I committed to it. I have no idea if people still do it or not. To be fair, it's killed a lot of game.
As for loading, I do 70 grains of powder followed by 2 over powder cards, then 70 grains of shot (1 oz?) and finally an overshot card. The man who built my fowler suggested skipping the cushion wad and I've never found a reason to doubt him.
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Greetings!
For those of you that hunt with a smoothbore, I would like to pose the following questions.
1. What gauge smoothbore/smoothbores do you hunt with?
2. What animal/animals do you choose to hunt?
3. What shot size/sizes do you pair up with what particular animal/animals?
4. What type of shot do you shoot with: chilled lead, magnum lead, copper-plated lead, nickel-plated lead, bismuth, tungsten, ITX, steel, etc.
5. Are there any tricks/techniques applicable to your particular style of hunting, or the animals that you hunt?
Thanks for your responses,
R.J.Bruce
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I've hunted squirrels, rabbits and turkey all with #5 or #6 lead shot in smoothbores of 28ga, 20ga, 16ga, and 12ga. As for tricks/techniques. move slow and use your eyes and ears...that's all you have against the superior defense abilities of the wild critters.
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If you're the type that would only use pure lead for a round ball. Will do the same for shot.
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I used to have a very nice dbl 12ga percussion. The gun was super fun to shoot and, as expected, great on birds with the proper shot. But it was so disappointing on squirrels, even with #4, that I eventually sold it. It just reinforced a lesson I'd learned back in the 1960s with modern shotguns.
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I use the smallest shot that will still penetrate effectively at the farthest range my gun will pattern well. For turkeys, that is #6 shot. Smaller shot gives more chances to hit the brain or spine when taking a head/ neck shot on a turkey. #6 shot will kill out to about 40 yards. I use #7 1/2 shot for my cylinder bore matchlock, as my maximum range is only 25 yards.
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Where I live, it is not legal to hunt squirrels with a rifle larger than a .22. Shotguns are the norm. I mostly use #6 for rabbits and squirrels, 7 1/2 for birds and 8 for clays.
I will be experimenting with different loads in my new .54 smoothbore. My old one didn't like anything larger than #5.
I am going to try smaller loads and 2ff powder next.
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1] I hunt with a 20 and a 10 bore
2] Partridge, rabbits, turkeys, ducks, geese, deer, black bear, and moose
3] I use # 4 lead shot for everything except ducks and geese. Can't use lead for waterfowl here so I shoot bismuth -same
size . Round balls are almost always in paper cartridges . or sometimes just wadded. I have molds in .600, .610
.715 and .735
4] Tricks ? get as close as you can, I use at least 25% more shot [ volume ] than powder. Pattern your gun. I've shot big game as far as 50 yards [ deer ] , but prefer 35 or closer. I would stretch that to 100 yards for moose under the right circumstances . For bears I want 35 yards or closer. I just harvested a large male bear { we have a Spring hunt here now ] this past Tuesday ...distance was 10 yards. .600 ball went right through and he collapsed
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I use a #4 and #6 combo load in my 20g smoothbore. I used to use lead shot, but the last 2 years I switched to ITX non-lead shot due to the CA hunting lead ban. ITX is very lethal and I get a nice pattern from it. I hunt squirrels, pheasant, quail and turkey. I have harvested quail, pheasant and squirrels with this load. Turkey? someday I will get one. working on my calling and technique!
Ken
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My experience has been that the larger smoothbores don’t pattern small shot all that well. That being said, the small gauges don’t do too well with the larger shot sizes. This is all with cylinder bores of course, since jug choking hasn’t been invented yet.
Hungry Horse
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Mostly 5's or 6's for upland birds, 4's and 5's for ducks until the lead shot ban.
Now, I don't hunt migratory birds because of that.
If I did, I'd likely use tungsten shot in size 4 or 5.