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Title: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: hortonstn on June 17, 2019, 03:08:02 AM
Is a 58 cal an accurate target cal for a woodswalk
Thanks
Paul
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Semisane on June 17, 2019, 03:22:53 AM
Probably.  8)

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Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Hungry Horse on June 17, 2019, 04:20:43 AM
Well, I cant say for sure, because along with not being a big fan of Hawken rifles, Iím not a big fan of .54 calibers either. however, I was a witness to a big argument between a friend of mine, and Bill Large, over the proper caliber for long range shooting. My friend wanted Bill to build him a .54 cal. and Bill said a .58 was inherently more accurate at long range than a .54. My friend told Bill to build it in .54, and Bill told him to find another barrel maker.

  Hungry Horse
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Nemovir on June 17, 2019, 05:17:53 AM
Well, I cant say for sure, because along with not being a big fan of Hawken rifles, Iím not a big fan of .54 calibers either. however, I was a witness to a big argument between a friend of mine, and Bill Large, over the proper caliber for long range shooting. My friend wanted Bill to build him a .54 cal. and Bill said a .58 was inherently more accurate at long range than a .54. My friend told Bill to build it in .54, and Bill told him to find another barrel maker.

  Hungry Horse

Sheeesh, what happened to the customer is always right?
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on June 17, 2019, 06:27:43 AM
In the case above, Mr. Large was right, and the customer was not a good listener.
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: WadePatton on June 17, 2019, 06:39:12 AM
Well, I cant say for sure, because along with not being a big fan of Hawken rifles, Iím not a big fan of .54 calibers either. however, I was a witness to a big argument between a friend of mine, and Bill Large, over the proper caliber for long range shooting. My friend wanted Bill to build him a .54 cal. and Bill said a .58 was inherently more accurate at long range than a .54. My friend told Bill to build it in .54, and Bill told him to find another barrel maker.

  Hungry Horse

Sheeesh, what happened to the customer is always right?

Methinks the fellow don't qualify as a customer when the maker doesn't take his order.  Some outfits are more flexible than others. No one should do work he doesn't believe in, especially when his name is attached.

Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Old Ford2 on June 17, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
Probably.  8)

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Too bad you pulled on that last shot on the right!
Sheesh! Not bad! To say the least.
Fred
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Bob Roller on June 17, 2019, 04:21:57 PM
Back in the "day" when I was shooting in local matches I used the first 58 caliber barrel
Bill Large made after he got his big shop operational. It was a light offhand gun with a
one inch octagon barrel with a turn in 44 inch twist.A tightly patched .575 round ball
and 65 grains of DuPont or Curtis&Harvey's 3fg made it a winner and got me put on
the sideline at one local shoot.It defied their traditions of long barreled,small bore rifles
and THAT was blasphemy in their way of thinking.Also won a nice turkey with it at
Friendship in November of 1958.I also loaned it to a friend who set some sort of offhand
record score with it earlier that same year.

Bob Roller
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Hungry Horse on June 17, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
Itís obvious that todays barrel makers, parts manufacturers, and gun builders,  have a different relationship than was common some years ago. Bill Large was a master at making superior quality barrels, but he didnít always take kindly to somebody trying to tell him his business. I found the same was true to a lesser degree with Turner Kirkland, although Turner was a little more easy going, you sure werenít going to push him anywhere.

 Hungry Horse
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Scota4570 on June 18, 2019, 04:31:06 AM
Is a 58 cal an accurate target cal for a woodswalk
Thanks
Paul

57 and 59 caliber are tack drivers, 58 gives horrible accuracy!  ;)
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: smylee grouch on June 18, 2019, 05:32:30 AM
That 58 might shoot better if you use 59 cal balls.  ;D
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: flinter49 on June 18, 2019, 04:25:38 PM
I have A Bill Large 54 Cal. and a Douglas 58  and both are excellent shooters. But, if I take either to a match by the end of the day I'm helping them recoil. In other words I develop a flinch.
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Daryl on June 18, 2019, 08:02:26 PM
The larger the bore size, the better the potential accuracy, all else being equal.  That is why the .69 calibre very heavy, as in 50 pound bench guns beat the .54 bench guns.

The same 'rule' applies with light 'hunting-type' guns as well, as long as the shooter can handle the 'extra' recoil. That in itself can be THE deciding factor.

Thus, a .58 has greater potential accuracy than a .54.
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Bob McBride on June 19, 2019, 12:48:23 AM
Iím a big fan of the .58. Accurate enough to cover 5 shots with a .50 cent piece at 50 yards. I hunt in the hollers and hills so thatís plenty enough. My first BP gun was an original Ď53 Enfield Barnett contract, which was recently replaced by a Brooks English shorty .58. Nothing lays the wood to a big 200lb TN 10 pointer like a .58. YMMV.
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Hungry Horse on June 21, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Bob;

  Our ancestors might have known each other. My Momís family on both sides got a free one way trip to the new world, and ended up in western North Carolina, and the New Acquisition area of South Carolina. They became rebels to repay the kings kind gesture, and were so comfortable being rebels, they continued when the North and South separated.

  Hungry Horse
Title: Re: 58 cal accuracy
Post by: Bob McBride on June 22, 2019, 12:38:59 AM
Bob;

  Our ancestors might have known each other. My Momís family on both sides got a free one way trip to the new world, and ended up in western North Carolina, and the New Acquisition area of South Carolina. They became rebels to repay the kings kind gesture, and were so comfortable being rebels, they continued when the North and South separated.

  Hungry Horse

Could be. My people were McBrydes from Campbelltown on the Kintyre Peninsula in Argyll and were Transported to Cape Fear where they went up river, founded the Scottish settlement of Campbelltown which is now Fayetteville. Most are in that area to this day. Some went to South Carolina c1785. My line went across the border to Early County Georgia when that land opened up and on to Texas after the CW.