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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Wyoduster on September 15, 2019, 09:18:23 PM

Title: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker?? Pictures added
Post by: Wyoduster on September 15, 2019, 09:18:23 PM

Just bought this over under 38 cal on top and 8 ga. under. with the stamp J.K.Guger.Muncy under the 8 gauge barrel, any information???
(https://i.ibb.co/BycNtgL/40-hawken-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Cbm2znB)

(https://i.ibb.co/QCchz4v/8-ga-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQBfgS4)

(https://i.ibb.co/dQCTMRz/8-ga-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LCjFR32)

(https://i.ibb.co/2FQGMhq/8-ga-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mRwfyTJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/YWV9QP0/8-ga-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/26p2hWZ)

Title: Re: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker??
Post by: OLUT on September 16, 2019, 04:16:52 PM

As a collector of percussion over under guns for many years, this is a new one for me ..... the closest gunsmith that I know of in Muncy, Lycoming County , Pa is J P GUYER  (and later he added his son, Clinton Guyer). J P used a stamp on his work that is not at all similar to your barrel marking. Also, an 8 gauge barrel on a combination gun is EXCEEDINGLY unique; the largest I have in my collection are a couple 10 gauge. I suspect that your gun is a  product of a part time gunsmith very late in the percussion period, maybe 1880's or 1890's. A couple photos MIGHT help, but I doubt that there is much to be found about this maker. Good luck in your search. If you do find more information, I would like to add it to my informal listing of percussion over under gun makers

Title: Re: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker??
Post by: OLUT on September 16, 2019, 04:22:57 PM

UPDATE - Seller's "American Gunsmiths" has a listing "GUGER, MUNCY, PENSYLVANIA,1861d. SEE JAMER GUYER"

Title: Re: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker?? Pictures added
Post by: Wyoduster on September 16, 2019, 07:12:01 PM

Thanks. Pictures added..

Title: Re: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker?? Pictures added
Post by: OLUT on September 16, 2019, 09:50:17 PM

I'll attach the barrel stamp that I've seen on a few J P Guyer guns ....note also the unique stamped design on either side of the rear sight. Your gun looks like the over under gun in Cordier's June auction. It's a nice collectors piece from the 1860 to 1880's era, but again the 8 gauge barrel makes it unique. Also, the bottom barrel is typically fired with the lock on the other side.
(https://i.ibb.co/44VVscq/Screen-Shot-2019-09-16-at-2-35-47-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/3SCCfw3)

Title: Re: 38 cal./8 ga. O/U maker?? Pictures added
Post by: WESTbury on September 17, 2019, 12:40:06 AM

P. Guger is listed in Gluckman & Saterlee's American Gunmakers 2nd Edition, on page 83, as making "Percussion Kentucky Rifles". P. Guger is listed as being from Murray Pa.

Perhaps a relative, father/son?