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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: bob in the woods on September 29, 2019, 12:31:45 AM
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Well.....2 :) I have been active for years in black powder matches, and 1750's to 1770's historical reenactment
Bottom line is that I simply have too much stuff . 4 different tents, shot bags, horns, shooting accessories galore, clothes etc etc. Out of this list, which 1 [ or 2 ] would you keep ? 10 bore Chambers NE fowling gun / 20 bore early 1750's style parts gun / .54 cal Virginia style rifle / .40 cal Lancaster style rifle with set triggers. I'm thinking that I could cover all the bases with the 10 bore but the .40 would allow for target shooting. Keeping the .54 alone would rule out turkeys and fowling so that is not an option. :-\
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I think the 40 and 20 would cover my needs. Use a ball in the 20 for deer and the 40 for light work. 10-bore balls are heavy and a 54 is wasteful of lead and powder-and possibly dangerous for barking squirrels. Rough on the bark, that's for sure.
I dunno though any time we "have to pick just one"--seems like a fantasy thread to me. Says he with just one rifle, but another in process (and likely finished this season), and a third planned and a smoothie in the "thinkin' 'bout it" stages. Eventually I should have a 54, 40, 30, and about a 16 bore of Southern fashion. And then I'll know better what else I'd like to have or don't need.
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Interesting problem. I haven't owned a gun in more than 20 years. ???
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Great question. If I was forced to choose it would be easy. Keep the .54 and the .40, with these two you can hunt everything except waterfowl. Millions of turkeys in your preferred time era were shot with either.
The "Muskrat" has spoken!
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Putting some real thought to this, I'd keep the 10 bore unless you shoot a lot of target stuff. I'd just keep them all, they ain't costing you anything.
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This is a matter of space, since the accessories etc take of room too. We are in a smaller house, and my wife needs room too ! I hunt ducks and geese, so I need a smoothbore. I'm leaning towards the 10 bore and the .40
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Great question. If I was forced to choose it would be easy. Keep the .54 and the .40, with these two you can hunt everything except waterfowl. Millions of turkeys in your preferred time era were shot with either.
The "Muskrat" has spoken!
In many, if not most, states, there is no legal turkey hunting with a rifle of any caliber.
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If just keeping one, I'd keep the 20 gauge. It seems the most versatile, without the appetite of the 10 bore.
If keeping 2, the 10 bore and the .40 caliber.
Here in CT . I can't hunt squirrels with a m.l. rifle larger than .36 caliber, and can't hunt deer with smaller than a .45 caliber, also can't hunt turkey with any rifle, but I can hunt turkey and small game with shot from a 20 gauge smoothbore, or deer with a single lead ball, 20 gauge and up.
Your laws and regulations may vary.
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My problem isn't with choosing one or two guns, but allocating space in our moderate home for the additional rifles I have in my head to build for myself.
I cannot empathize with you, Bob. Sorry. Not much help here.
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Down here in the state of Georgia it is legal to hunt turkeys with a muzzleloading rifle. I do hunt them with a .40 flintlock and take my share, plus the .40 is a good squirrel caliber if you hit them in the right spots.
So, since small game may be the only edible game I would keep the .40 cal. I would also keep the 10 gauge smoothbore. And the .54 because a large caliber just might be needed some day.
I know you said 1 or 2 but I feel that might force picking a favorite instead of a more needed gun, so I picked 3.
I have a space problem also, both my wife and I tend to keep everything we ever owned. My little space is a spare bedroom without a bed but I have a recliner, a TV, and a large closet. The large closet has a gun safe for shorter guns and pistols but my longrifles simply stand in the corner behind the safe. I keep rifle/caliber specific shooting supplies in a shooting bag that I keep fully stocked. Each bag and a powder horn hangs on a clothes hanger in the closet. I am thinking about making a gunrack for the wall to free up more closet space. To keep from losing any guns I'd hang them from the ceiling if I had to. There is also a dresser that holds more of my hunting gear. If I just had to choose 2 it would be the .40 and the 10 gauge.
I am drawn to rifles and hunt with one every chance I get. I count my blessings that I live in a state that allows me to hunt turkeys with a flintlock rifle.
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The 10 for sure and if space allows, the .40. But then, for me, a lot would depend on how they look.
Robby
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The two I would choose would be the 20 gauge smoothbore and the 40 caliber rifle. The 20 would be for hunting. Load it with shot for small game and round ball for big game. The 40 caliber rifle would suit all my target shooting needs.
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A no brainer for me. The .54 would be my pick but my needs are different from yours. I like to hunt for elk and mature muleys.
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keep them all. one in this closet one in that, under the bed the sofa. lots of options
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Well, thanks for the input. I've decided to get rid of a number of more modern guns instead. :)
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Well, thanks for the input. I've decided to get rid of a number of more modern guns instead. :)
Well, geeez, you didn't tell us that was an option. Lol.
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This is a matter of space, since the accessories etc take of room too. We are in a smaller house, and my wife needs room too ! I hunt ducks and geese, so I need a smoothbore. I'm leaning towards the 10 bore and the .40
Build your wife one of those trendy "she sheds" and put all her junk out there.
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I like Mike's last response the best!
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Mike should start an advice chat room. He's very good at coming up with the best answers ;D
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I agree with the 20 bore and 40. If I could have only two of my own choosing it would be a 20 bore and a .36, covering all my bases as I haven’t shot a deer farther than 50 yards since I was hunting Sitka Black Tails in the ‘80’s, and I also hunt Turkeys and small game often.
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Mike should start an advice chat room. He's very good at coming up with the best answers ;D
I can see it now, "Doctor Mike"..... Likely responsible for a great many suicides, LOL!
Re which to keep as originally asked;
The 10n-bore;
It'll shoot 20 bore loads beautifully, but the 20 would have a hard time shooting 10 bore loads .
It'll also shoot a .750" ball a lot easier than the 20 would.....
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While reading the first few lines of your post, Bob, my instant reaction from the list, was the 10 bore and .40. Another line of post and they seemed your choice as well.
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As a hunter, there is nothing that I do which isn't well within the capability of the 10 bore. The only exception might be moose hunting , the limiting factor being distance; however I'm comfortable up to 100 yards or so and could live with that.
When it comes to fowling, there is the question of geese. The 10 simply does all shot loads better than a 20. I used my .54 for bear this Fall, but that was only because I wanted to. The 10 would have been just as good if not better. Distances are within 25 yards, often closer. The .40 is good for smaller game, varmints and target shooting. Having passed the mid 60's mark, the only replacement I might consider for the 10 might be a 16 in the years to come...If I was staring out from scratch, I would get a 16 bore and never look back.
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Yep, the 20 and the .40. But first I'd trade the .40 for a .45. When it comes right down to it you could just move her $#@* so you'll have room for your stuff.
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If I could have only one it would be the 54. I have taken everything from squirrels to deer with mine and won som matches with it too. I I could keep 2 it would be the 54 and the 10. ga. I love the 40 and have taken small game and deer with it as well as winning matches with it too. I think that the storage shed for the other stuff and keeping them all is the best option.
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IF I had only one or two, my wife would call the doctor because I would sick.
Fleener
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You all are referring to 1 or 2 dozen, right?
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I must be a wuss. Not sure I want to shoot a 10 bore with the round ball when it seems unnecessary. A 20 ga seems the better all rounder for me.
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A 20 is pushing things when you are really after ducks and geese. For turkeys, a longer shot column isn't perhaps that much of a detriment, but the 10 just patterns so much better....it's like launching a sheet of shot, not a column. Honestly, a .735 ball over 100 gr of FFg is deadly, and really not punishing. I don't find it much worse than the 20 with a .600 ball and 100 gr of FFg It's the fowling that gives the 10 the nod. As I said, if I started over, I'd get a 16 bore and leave the 20 and the 10 A 16 bore would be great for everything I hunt. Good grief ... ::) I think I'm talking myself into getting another gun !!!
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Ok, the original question was, If you could only have one...... without seeing them, the most versatile would be the 20ga smoothbore.
Roundball for big game, and shot for birds, bunnies, squirrel. You could even squeak out a little target work in a pinch.
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If I only had a choice of one of your guns, God forbid. It would be the 10 bore, and I would install a rear sight on it. Once again there is no substitute for cubic inches.
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When it comes to a meat gun the 10ga will do it all. Keep the .40 too, a man needs at least one rifle.
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Bob in the Woods, it sounds like a hunters paradise there. Good for you.
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Bob in the Woods, it sounds like a hunters paradise there. Good for you.
Yup. A 10 bore is like teats on a boar hog in the hills of Tennessee. I guess I could shoot one of my pet Toulouse Geese.
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I have a 10 bore that I think started life as a Chambers NE fowling piece kit. I love it. I would definitely hang on to that one. What about thinning out all the associated tents, clothing, accouterments and such. That stuff can take up a huge amount of space. The guns you mentioned would all fit neatly on one wall.
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I would be happy to hang on to some of those for you.
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Well, thanks for the input. I've decided to get rid of a number of more modern guns instead. :)
Hahahahah, couldn't do it could ya! Heck I understand. Got me thinking though and I still believe my one gun would be a .58 caliber smooth bore with a 46"-48" barrel, configured in my version of a Lehigh, which is a very pleasant gun to shoot that doesn't require odd contortions to keep from getting a busted cheek.
Robby
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I 'entertained' the idea of having only one flintlock to do it all and settled on a 16 ga. smoothrifle. The idea originated around a longrifle amply capable of taking both deer and turkey in GA, where I resided at the time. After lucking into a very early Getz 16 ga. (.652) barrel and purchasing a lock from Jim Chambers, Allen Martin built that longrifle, for me, inspired principally by Newcomer and Fondersmith (and other Lancaster elements) it was featured in the Contemporary Blog, about 07, December 2012.
If I wanted another 'one to do it all' longrifle, I'd stick with that same decision.
Good luck!
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I 'entertained' the idea of having only one flintlock to do it all and settled on a 16 ga. smoothrifle. The idea originated around a longrifle amply capable of taking both deer and turkey in GA, where I resided at the time. After lucking into a very early Getz 16 ga. (.652) barrel and purchasing a lock from Jim Chambers, Allen Martin built that longrifle, for me, inspired principally by Newcomer and Fondersmith (and other Lancaster elements) it was featured in the Contemporary Blog, about 07, December 2012.
If I wanted another 'one to do it all' longrifle, I'd stick with that same decision.
Good luck!
This'n? http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2012/12/allen-martin.html
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I 'entertained' the idea of having only one flintlock to do it all and settled on a 16 ga. smoothrifle. The idea originated around a longrifle amply capable of taking both deer and turkey in GA, where I resided at the time. After lucking into a very early Getz 16 ga. (.652) barrel and purchasing a lock from Jim Chambers, Allen Martin built that longrifle, for me, inspired principally by Newcomer and Fondersmith (and other Lancaster elements) it was featured in the Contemporary Blog, about 07, December 2012.
If I wanted another 'one to do it all' longrifle, I'd stick with that same decision.
Good luck!
This'n? http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2012/12/allen-martin.html
Yep... that would be the one.
Here's another link with a few more details.
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=24450.msg234292#msg234292
BTW, Allen just finished that early Reading/Berks rifled piece I'd been think'n about, back then and I took delivery at this years CLA. Another beauty...
Thanks for your interest.