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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:50:12 AM

Title: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:50:12 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:51:03 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:51:42 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:52:34 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:53:35 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:54:34 AM

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: moodyholler on September 29, 2019, 02:55:10 AM

Barrel by Calverts

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: WESTbury on September 29, 2019, 04:39:35 AM

Any explanation of what's going on here? A picture of the assembled fowler would be nice.

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: Mike Brooks on September 29, 2019, 04:13:50 PM

Unusual gun and quite unorthodox for an English gun. The cheek piece appears to be positioned backwards and a pistol grip on a flint fowling gun is unusual as well.

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: WESTbury on September 29, 2019, 06:31:03 PM

The barrel has London proofs. Perhaps Joe Puleo can supply some info on the Calvert barrel manufacturer.

The Brits drive on the wrong side of the road so perhaps they prefer a backwards cheek rest.

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: Pukka Bundook on September 29, 2019, 06:45:03 PM

We don't normally like cheek-pieces backwards, WEST...  :-)


Peter Hawker had a duck gun stocked up with a pistol grip. Was on a flintlock, but unusual at that time.

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: WESTbury on September 29, 2019, 07:15:58 PM

I believe that the inscription on the barrel may read; "CALVERT'S  LEEDS". In other words made by a company named Calvert's of Leeds England.

The barrels are stamped on the bottom "CALVERT'S TWISTED" (Damascus) with London Proofs.

Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: WESTbury on September 29, 2019, 07:38:07 PM

Okay, more info.

From the website of JC MILITARIA:

"John & William Calvert were English Gun Makers with various premises in Leeds between 1797 & 1865."

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Title: Re: Pics of English Fowler by Seeds
Post by: Feltwad on September 30, 2019, 03:22:01 PM

Quote from: WESTbury on September 29, 2019, 06:31:03 PM

The barrel has London proofs. Perhaps Joe Puleo can supply some info on the Calvert barrel manufacturer.

The Brits drive on the wrong side of the road so perhaps they prefer a backwards cheek rest.

What we have is a gun built with parts it is not the style of  a English  flintlock and I am almost sure the barrel was not made  by  the father John Calverts of Leeds. To me the barrel is continental which the name inlay is their style or maybe the barrel with the name Calverts  was taken from a gun and re inlayed at a later date when fitted to that unusual none traditional  stock  The Calverts were gun , and pistol makers and the barrel  proofed in London . I have worked on several flintlock conversion and percussion shotguns by Calvert some had the name London on the underside of the barrel I do own a flintlock conversion  and their name is inlayed in an oval in gold on the top of the barrel just forward of the breech,
Feltwad