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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: rich pierce on October 30, 2019, 06:34:57 AM
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This was posted on Facebook just today. Picked by Greg Dixon. 44” smoothbore smallbore. Cock a period replacement. Brass pan. Notice the V shaped forearm. I’m guesssing post Rev War, pre 1800. What do you think? I’m going by narrow buttstock, thumbnail buttplate, fully “evolved” Bucks County guard.
(https://i.ibb.co/9sfBryP/63132-D99-A023-41-B3-A117-978659137-B5-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qk4hrm6)
(https://i.ibb.co/5MbNdSz/62-C0-CF36-3-D72-495-F-96-F6-508-EB8648-D5-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JBDfNGb)
(https://i.ibb.co/PW3BrK6/04-FBBF9-D-AFAC-4-E81-A58-C-5-FC4-A31-CBC85.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6tV6yzW)
(https://i.ibb.co/hfbSmBb/0-B108-D3-C-6-B0-B-4575-B5-DA-15-B3-E3-A4-E080.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xHWN71W)
(https://i.ibb.co/JxVFFFw/E23-E3651-AC96-4-EA9-8118-9-A71-DD2-B900-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4szgggn)
(https://i.ibb.co/SxqKNnM/76-CD8-D59-D9-DE-4561-A6-C3-B3069556-A4-CC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PYB5xhP)
(https://i.ibb.co/B6b12V4/E0-E79-A34-3-D37-4-B7-D-9-BA8-61-EFE9-B04-AB7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n19WMs3)
(https://i.ibb.co/tsS5bfd/911-C20-FC-413-D-4-F7-D-8858-4-F3691-B025-D1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/85JVj3h)
(https://i.ibb.co/3mvRQk3/0-C12-E0-EB-5838-4298-98-EF-2-CC7285-A0155.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fd9DLQg)
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That’s a beautiful rifle. The two Bucks County Fowling rifles on the KRA disk have different trigger guards and I believe both have the long entry thimbles. The Lehigh looking forearm is interesting. I wonder if that brass nose cap piece wraps completely around? It will be neat to hear what others have to say.
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That's a good one. I'd like to repop that one day.
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Wonderful old piece! I've never seen someone add a nut to the cock top jaw screw before...threads must be stripped in the cock's lower jaw, or a smaller replacement screw added at some time during it's long life. Apart from that, this gun is 'all there'.
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Beautiful fowler, used a lot and well cared for, it appears. The frizzen has been resoled and the flintcock has a unique repair, too. Lucky find!
Dick
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Are you seeing this Fred? Does it get the creative juices flowing?
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I love this one! Great pictures. Thanks for posting, Rich.
Bob
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Pretty interesting! I don't think it's any earlier than the 1790s at earliest and it may be first decade of 19th century. Everything is fully-evolved here. Also if I may say so, I strongly suspect more has been done to the lock than simply a replacement cock, but nevertheless the plate fits very well and likely we're looking at the original lock plate at least.
That V-shaped forearm (as opposed to fore end) seems to me to be less of a regional thing and more of a quirk-of-the-maker thing. I've occasionally seen that on rifles from a very wide variety of areas. Most Bucks and Lehigh guns have the V-shaped fore end but a very squat, well-rounded forearm. At least, most that I've looked at anyway.
Overall the condition here is fantastic.
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Thanks Eric. The lock looks older but makes sense using an older, large lock on a simple gun. I also wondered about the pan, frizzen spring and such. But let’s face it 75-90% of flintlocks are probably reconverted.
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Yeah I'd lean a lot more toward the 90% figure!
There was a really great Peter Angstadt that sold yesterday with an entirely original, probably American-forged lock ca. 1785-1800. THAT is one heck of a lock. I wish someone would commercially put out a dead ringer of that exact lock.
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Eric is this the lock?
(https://i.ibb.co/rsTWdD3/9794-F570-1-C09-4-EFB-9-D3-F-CF9780-CDBDCD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8cThY1b)
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You got it.