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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: David Rase on November 11, 2019, 04:53:10 AM
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Here are a couple pictures of the double barrel flintlock shotgun I finished up today. No engraving, checkering or inlays, just a basic no frills hunting weapon. 20 gauge modern fluid steel barrels, L&R Manton locks, triggers and entry pipe, hand forged triggerguard and a vintage buttplate all inlet into a blank of curly maple from Tom Fornicola. Finish is tannic acid and iron nitrate. Plan on meeting the customer Monday morning at the range and shooting it. If all goes well we will meet back at my shop to disassemble and clean the gun and turn it over to its new owner. He will need to rub a couple more coats of oil on the stock and give her a coat of wax before the first bird falls prey. What a light weight fast handling well balanced gun.
David
(https://i.ibb.co/N1bNSc4/1-full-length-RH-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Rhd6yR5)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpsczLK/2-Left-side-quartering.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FmGWN2D)
(https://i.ibb.co/1fzmJ3x/3-Left-side-quartering.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRYm1kv)
(https://i.ibb.co/bQqHPrz/4-underside.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RYZh9Cz)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZWB3nw5/5-Breech-topside.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xgCLY)
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Graceful and easy on the eyes. I can see that gun in an upland bird hunting scene!
Great job buddy!!!!
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Awesome Dave. How are you going to top that?
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Subdued elegance. That thing is going to be a rock star in the field. I like it a lot.
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Yeah.... ;)
Elegant in it's simplicity without being "plain" by any means. If I had access to a healthy population of native Quail, that little sweetheart would have me shopping for a bird dog.
VERY nice. Thanks for sharing.
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Love that double David, if I were 10-20 years younger I would want you to make a 16 bore like that for me. It looks to be an ideal gun for quail.
Dennis
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Beautiful. Excellent job
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Wow! Beautifully done and the lack of decoration just makes it easier to see. I'll bet the guy will be like a Kid getting exactly what he wanted for Christmas and then some.
Tim
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A beautiful little gun, David. I know it will be a pleasure to shoot.
Bob
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Nice....better get out those checkering tools though!
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Nice....better get out those checkering tools though!
That would require the customer opening up his wallet first. ;D
David
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Nice double gun Dave. It should be a great handling little bird gun. We're out of the wild quail business in Alabama, but it should be a dandy dove gun.
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Dave as always you have made another fine looking gun. Would be a great
Ruff grouse getter here in the North.. No fancy stuff just a serious bird gun. The owner should be real happy.. Good job..
Oldtravler
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Very nice shotgun Dave!! What did it wind up weighing?
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Very nice David, well done.
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Piling on David, really nice shotgun!! Jerry told me at Heffley that you were close to finishing up the gun, and was as giddy as a school kid. I know he's going to love it, and I'll get to handle it next August at Heffley. Isn't it amazing how thick a piece of wood has to be to get a double gun out of it? Again, congrats on a fine sporting gun.
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Piling on David, really nice shotgun!! Jerry told me at Heffley that you were close to finishing up the gun, and was as giddy as a school kid. I know he's going to love it, and I'll get to handle it next August at Heffley. Isn't it amazing how thick a piece of wood has to be to get a double gun out of it? Again, congrats on a fine sporting gun.
We just got back from the range. After test firing both locks and barrels Jerry shot it at about 15 yards at a piece of paper with a clay bird in the center. Nice tight pattern and smoked the clay bird. It will take at least a week to get the grin of off Jerry's face.
David
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That's a lovely little double! Very COOL!
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It works, and fast!
(https://i.ibb.co/Z1q5YQH/Jerry-Bundy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cX40CWb)
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Great work as always Dave!!!!
Mitch
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Really nice gun, David..., beautiful work!
Ed
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It works, and fast!
(https://i.ibb.co/Z1q5YQH/Jerry-Bundy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cX40CWb)
And it’s a left hand double gun. Brilliant!
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Very Nice Dave. I like different and you've made something different, nicely. Hank
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DAVE Where are the photos of the case hardening part???? Is it a trade secret??
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And it’s a left hand double gun. Brilliant!
Clearly not a left handed gun, otherwise the front trigger would be on the left.
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T*O*F,
Lots of doubles had the triggers set up the same, whether right or left handed, as they are more or less directly one behind the other.
It is ( often) only the triggers themselves which are twisted to suit either right or left hands.
I do have one very early French/Spanish double, that has triggers set in this usual manner, and fairly widely spaced, yet it fits the left hand perfectly, and is Most awkward using the right hand! LOL.
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Lots of doubles had the triggers set up the same, whether right or left handed, as they are more or less directly one behind the other.
Obviously you are not left handed. All guns came as right handed guns unless bespoke built to be a left handed gun. Left handedness, also know as sinistro-dextrous, was thought to be the hand of the devil and was discouraged, even up into the 20th century. Likewise, only a small portion of the population are left handed, and an even smaller portion of those are shooters. Many of those shooters didn't realize it was a small matter to simply pull the pin and swap the triggers, so they adapted to right handed guns. Lefties have to do that a lot. Of the 15 doubles I have left, only 1 is set up as a lefty and it is evident that the left barrel was shot the most due to the erosion around the nipple and hammer, while the right barrel is relatively clean.
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If you are inclined, or the customer is, I'd love a video of you shooting this and the loading procedure. What shot you load, powder charge etc. Very cool looking. You-tube is calling ! haha..
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T*O*F Dave,
Most trigger slots are a different length, so no way can you merely pull a pin and swap them. They only fit the slot they are made for.
What did you not understand in my post above, about the triggers Made for the left hand, and Very difficult to manipulate with the right hand?
How does that make me obviously not left handed?
Even if you Could swap triggers, the skew is still wrong.
The triggers skewed for the left hand , and cast On, says "Left Hand" very convincingly.
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T*O*F Dave,
Even if you Could swap triggers, the skew is still wrong.
That is a true statement for the triggers I used. The L & R triggers that I used were cast with a gentle outward skew and the trigger shoes are wider on the outsides of the triggers. Swapping triggers would of been a PITA and very time consuming. Due to how close the rear trigger is to the front trigger, these triggers, as received from L & R, actually perform better for a left handed shooter. In their unmodified design it is really hard for a right handed shooter to pull the front trigger and then naturally slip your finger off and find the rear trigger. A right handed shooter has to make an effort to snake his finger over to and in front of the rear trigger which takes just enough time and effort to potentially miss your second shot. At least that was the case for me and I don't have giant meat hooks for hands.
Funny story about this build is that when I was requested to build this shotgun the only instructions I received was that it needed to be 20 gauge. As I was building the gun, friends would come by the shop and when they saw the shotgun would ask if I was putting cast off in the stock. I would explain that I normally do not use cast off in a buttstock narrower than 1 1/2". I never contacted the customer during the build until the gun was in the white and ready to see how it fit him. I wish I could of seen the look on my face when he shouldered the gun on his left shoulder. I told him I was glad I did not put cast off in the stock like everybody had asked me about since he was left handed. The only alternation I made was a request to shorten the length of pull so I had to re-inlet the buttplate.
David
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Very good David!
The man should have said he was left-handed. It could have been bad....
It's as well the chap didn't want the buttstock Lengthening! LOL.
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Please help the ignorant! Is the “skew” you speak of, the right or left position of the front and rear trigger on a double?
What would you call, placing a single trigger to the left or right of center for the convenience of a left-handed or right handed shooter?
Lastly what would you call angling the shoe of a single trigger, canting it to right or left? Or is this something only I do?