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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Skychief on January 10, 2020, 04:35:44 AM
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Looking for some knowledge regarding the use of peep or tang sights on original muzzleloaders both flintlock and percussion.
As my vision worsens, I'm sorely tempted to go this route but would feel a lot better about it if I knew the "Old Boys" used them on their original guns.
Thanks for any insight, Skychief.
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I had a muzzle blast about twenty years ago that had pictures of original jager rifles with tang peep sights on them.
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I have several original Ohio rifles that either have or had "peep" sights mounted on the tang.
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Do whatever is necessary to keep yourself enjoying your pastimes. Historical relevance makes no matter unless you are reenacting.
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Sky chief: I have a period correct peep sight on one of my flintlocks that works great on my old eyes. For some reason I have yet to resolve I can't post pictures. If you message me your e-mail I will send you pictures of mine. You might do a search for peep sight you might be able to find my old post. It seems I got the issue resolved so here are pictures of the peep/ghost ring on my rifle.
(https://i.ibb.co/KDVQKxY/Peep-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nBQVPMT)
(https://i.ibb.co/g6phsCv/Peep-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9GLSRjw)
(https://i.ibb.co/7GW2vcS/Peep-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LCtnSw0)
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Thank you all for the replies!
Mike, I REALLY like the unobtrusive looks of your peep. Is it something that you built? Please let me know.
I still don't believe many (any?) examples of original flintlocks wearing period peeps exist. I may be wrong and would like to hear of such examples of any which are known.
I'm sure the Old Boys had their vision troubles then as we do now and a simple peep is such an obvious fix that I can't imagine why originals overwhelmingly wear open sights.
Thank you all.
Best regards, Skychief.
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This one, is fairly close to being period correct.
(https://i.ibb.co/whXjktn/Hawkenpistolgriplock-zpsd31819a6.png) (https://ibb.co/60xLMQK)
(https://i.ibb.co/KzWGR04/100-4502.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fGHSB16)
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Skychief: I did not make it I had my builder (Lowell Haarer) add it to the rifle when he built it. It is used for ease of seeing the sights. The rifle has traditional front and rear sights. Looking through this peep/ghost ring simply brings the sights into focus for my tired old eyes.
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Thanks very much Daryl and Mike.
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There was an article in Muzzle Blasts many years ago, I think by John Barsotti, that mentioned a fellow in an Ohio shooting match who had reamed the pith out of a corn cob and affixed it to his rifle barrel as a peep sight.
I am not making that up. I'll try to find the article next time I go see my brother. The old magazines are all over at his place.
Notchy Bob
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I am headed off the the Alabama Kentucky Longrifle show after lunch, it is only about 15 miles away. My buddy said Lowell Haarer had these sights for sale at the show last year, hope he has some this year, I need one badly if I am going to shoot my flintlocks.
I did buy some fluorescent sight paint last week that lets me see my front sight at last shooting light. I charged it with my flashlight while on the stand a few days ago to see if it worked, obviously it did.
This was after dark, when I hit auto correct on the edit program it somehow brought out what was an invisible barrel from the original picture.
I know this is probably frowned on my the HC crowd, I have put my flintlocks up and been hunting with an unmentionable because I flat can't see the sights on my guns at age 72.
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Yup Lowell Haarer they work
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I can't offer much on flintlock guns with "peep sights", but they were often used in the percussion period. Ned Roberts book states," Many of the old muzzle-loading target rifles were equipped with a peep sight having a stem cut with 80 to 100 threads to the inch screwing through a female thread cut on the upper tang ...". Swinney has a nice close-up photo of 3 types of period-correct peep sights on page 5 of the first volume of The New York State Firearms Trade and many more illustrated in his 5 volume set. In my collection I have several percussion guns that were mounted with "lollypop" tang peep sights for hunting purposes .....So go ahead and use what works for you on your gun(s).
(https://i.ibb.co/pvhZJFZ/DSC01469.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C5PvhGv)
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The simple type above that's mounted on the barrel tang looks more like what would be considered a 'ghost ring' given the size of the hole. Looks very effective, though.
Daryl - how did yours work in conjunction with the rear sight already on the rifle? Was the peep looking over the rear sight notch, and through the 'horns?' And what kind of front sight was being used?
BTW, while I'm not big into 19th century plains rifles, they've grown on me a bit over the years that that rifle is one of my favorite of *any* region or period. I really like that one!
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I've been using peep sights for years now because of older eyes. Wish I would have used them much sooner. They extend your sight radius for better accuracy and show you more of the target. Probably the fastest sight ever. I'll take a photo and post what I've made.
(https://i.ibb.co/0Qm2hCV/IMG950396.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFnpcW3)
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I may try one like this at some point.
(https://i.ibb.co/RDPgQN9/tang.png) (https://ibb.co/XCpWFDb)
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That one is backwards, Scota4570.
Eric, Taylor built this Hawken for a fellow from Alaska., The aperture aligned with the barrel sights, IIRCorectly,
as it had the ability to be screwed very low to the top flat of the barrel.
The thread is 80 TPI.
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The original question on tang/ peep sights got me looking closer at my collection... Here are some "period correct" mountings on percussion guns from the 1850's to 1870's . Note that on the "lollypop type" all are adjustable with the finely threaded stem and most have windage adjustment capability. Likewise many will "fold down" to allow use of the rifle's rear sight and also for more protection of the sight during storage
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Percussion Schuetzen with Pedersoli long range sight.
Kevin
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Ok, like this.
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I do like the idea of a fixed, unobtrusive and sturdy rear sight illustrated. I have seen picture of originals done like this. Lolly pops and bent sheet metal are fine for testing but get in the way of your thumb and snag on things.
I really wish NMLRA would allow peep sights. It really hurts scores for most and gives a huge advantage to a select few with great vision. There is plenty of historical precedent for peeps. The rule seems like an anachronism steeped in bureaucratic stubbornness.
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I dont know if Scota is funnin us or not but I think the peep hole was what was backwards. ;D :) But it does look better this way.
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Some time back I was perusing photos of a large bore English rifle built by one of my favorite contemporary makers, Stephen Alexander. This rifle had a rear "ghost ring" sight mounted very close to the breech which peaked my interest. I made up some dummy sights and glued them to the barrel of a build I am working on and I love the sight picture through them. In querying Stephen on the rear sight, he told me that this type of sight was frequently used on Turkish flint firearms and on some English and Continental ones as well.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hYPS4x/Stephen_Alexander_Rifle_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cdT9HH)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dADn4x/Stephen_Alexander_Rifle_3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kzApHH)
I did find a few peep sighted Turkish flintlock photos and, apparently, peep sights have been around since Roman days (museum pieces, crossbows from Roman to middle age Europe with peep sights),
(https://image.ibb.co/jvPRUx/Turkish_Wallgun_6_zps07c337b8.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nttaNH)
(https://image.ibb.co/hQaH4x/Turkish_Wallgun_5_zpsa2c88f87.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kiUc4x)
(https://image.ibb.co/f6YtcH/turkishmusket_14_1_2028_zps1fa2d148.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cmwqPx)
Here is the English rifle I built with this type of rear sight on it........works great !
(https://preview.ibb.co/mbVzDa/English_Rifle_5.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d9y86v)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nnixzF/English_Rifle_4.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mthCYa)
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Dave, you are letting the side down with that too-simplistic peep sight! I would expect yours to be able to automatically adjust for windage and elevation, with minor variations for temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure. Probably some adjustment for Coriolis effect, and N-S turning error/ E-W acceleration as well!
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I have made several folding tang sights like those found on the Rigby/Henry and a bunch of other long range rifles.
They were calibrated like a micrometer with an 8x40 threads per inch adjustment screw. One of these had windage
adjustable aperture with a 6x40 thread adjustment screw.I made one for a man in Kentucky with the 8x40 elevation
screw and he calibrated it with a depth stem on a good quality dial caliper and wrote down all his readings in a note book.
Since cataract removal on both eyes I need correction only for close up reading and nothing else.
Bob Roller
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Peep sights most likely go back as far as crossbows and matchlocks. People of old had the same eye maladies as we have today but they had no glasses to correct vision. If a shooter back in the day was lucky enough to live to 45 or 50 years of age, he had to use an aperture of some type to achieve accuracy.
Go ahead and use peep sights. You will love them. I have apertures on nearly all of my muzzleloaders including flints and percussion. They have made it possible for me to continue shooting and hunting. And there is an added benefit and that is the fantastic accuracy peep sights bring.
I make most of my own peeps. They are not difficult to make and its so much fun experimenting and trying different types.
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Skychief,
Peep and tube sight gonback to the early 1500's at least, so you are good to go.
Dave C2,
Very neat work on the simple but effective peep!
Elegant is always good. :-)
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Some time back I was perusing photos of a large bore English rifle built by one of my favorite contemporary makers, Stephen Alexander. This rifle had a rear "ghost ring" sight mounted very close to the breech which peaked my interest. I made up some dummy sights and glued them to the barrel of a build I am working on and I love the sight picture through them. In querying Stephen on the rear sight, he told me that this type of sight was frequently used on Turkish flint firearms and on some English and Continental ones as well.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hYPS4x/Stephen_Alexander_Rifle_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cdT9HH)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dADn4x/Stephen_Alexander_Rifle_3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kzApHH)
I did find a few peep sighted Turkish flintlock photos and, apparently, peep sights have been around since Roman days (museum pieces, crossbows from Roman to middle age Europe with peep sights),
(https://image.ibb.co/jvPRUx/Turkish_Wallgun_6_zps07c337b8.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nttaNH)
(https://image.ibb.co/hQaH4x/Turkish_Wallgun_5_zpsa2c88f87.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kiUc4x)
(https://image.ibb.co/f6YtcH/turkishmusket_14_1_2028_zps1fa2d148.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cmwqPx)
Here is the English rifle I built with this type of rear sight on it........works great !
(https://preview.ibb.co/mbVzDa/English_Rifle_5.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d9y86v)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nnixzF/English_Rifle_4.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mthCYa)
I would like to see more pics of that English rifle you made. It's a beauty
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(https://i.ibb.co/PrNRNDw/sight.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Kevin
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Justin,
Sorry.....I missed your question about the English rifle.....here is a link https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=34719.0
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Dan- is that your 18 pound .50? I don't recall seeing it finished.
I have an in-the-white photo of you shooting it over a plank.
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I was having trouble too. I looked at some sights and found the RMC quick peep. worked real good on three whitetails this year,very quick to find in your vision. 72 can make one open to change.
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I like peep sights and use them and when building a rifle I would consider putting one on the rifle. If you look at a Hawken flintlock on Brant Selb's website he has one on a rifle he built. I think it looks like a Skinner that has a bone color case finish. But I consider a simple non adjustable sight intriguing.
Rob
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That's perfect.
(https://preview.ibb.co/mbVzDa/English_Rifle_5.jpg)
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In this last picture of a peep is it available or was it custom made. If available by who?
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Dan- is that your 18 pound .50? I don't recall seeing it finished.
I have an in-the-white photo of you shooting it over a plank.
Yes it is. I put a peep on it cause my right eye was getting bad but only shot it a time or two with it it did not help much. The VA finally paid to get the eye fixed, it had a weird cataract, and I can see the sights on everything again now. Maybe I can hunt with a FL again. The left eye is still good, naturally. The wind caught me and shot 5 is out 2" from center or it would have been much shorter. Or it was me but we always have wind wind. And it seems like there always has to be one. The photo is a composite of the 10 targets. Its amazing how little wind it takes to move a RB.
The matches at Cody died out and the ones we shoot 50 miles West are offhand. But I am going to take a saw horse and a plank over one of these times and shoot it a little without the peep. The link shows some detail of it before I browned the barrel.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000127103372&sk=media_set&set=a.110639535616949&type=3
Dan
(https://i.ibb.co/sWhf1sL/UNADJUSTEDNONRAW-thumb-ac8e.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hh0SPGm)
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Tks Dan.
Did you boys note the load for accuracy shooting at 60 yards?
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Who Made this and is there a way to get one?
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1670ish English 12 bore english breechloading rifle.
https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gunmaker/media/english%20doglock%20breechloader/060.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18
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Very interesting gun, Mike. No full length pictures. I think only one muzzle 'shot', but not easily discernible rifling.
Didn't quite get the peep sight holes in a line.
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Dan, can you tell us how much "gain" is in that 44" McLemore barrel?
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Very interesting gun, Mike. No full length pictures. I think only one muzzle 'shot', but not easily discernible rifling.
Didn't quite get the peep sight holes in a line.
Badly pitted bore, but rifling was strong in some areas.
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Jim Evans,
I made the sight when I built the rifle. Not available commercially that I know of.
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I have to ring in on this. I've been building and shooting sine the mid 70's.
Now I am 71 and cannot use a notched rear sight. I make peep sights but mount them 8-10 inches from the breech. I do my shooting sitting on the seat of my walker as I can no longer stand sturdy enough to shoot off hand. I don't care if they're legal for competition or not as I have long since fired my last match relay. But the peeps do allow me to ring plates, roll cans etc in my backyard range.
Heck, I even put one on my NW trade gun last week.
My gun, my range, my rules...LOL.
Have fun while you can. Life is short.
Tony Maples
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That is exactly right Tony. Keep at it till you just cant any more. :)
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I can see open sights just fine. But I am building my self a tree stand Jaeger. It has a 25 inch .60 caliber Rayl barrel.
I have been thinking of installing a peep site on it since I came up with the idea. Peeps will give me a about a 23 1/2 inch sight radius.
The question is does anyone have photos of Germanic peep sights from the early 18th century?
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Tony: good for you. Keep shooting any way you need to. If anyone doesn't like it they can go home. I too use a "sort of" peep, more of a ghost ring so my old eyes can see the sights. God bless you, keep making smoke.
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I went the peep route this year on my .58 Hawken. I milled out the notch in the buckhorn sight with a 1/4" end mill which gave me the radius then soft soldered in a 1/4 disc in place with a centered drilled hole in it. Take good measurements on the height of the notch first, drill hole under size and increase as needed. I had to make up two to get it just right. Since this is my 100 yd hunting rifle the results have proven to be very worth the effort. Allowed me this year take a bull elk with a deliberate neck shot.
A very simple modification.
kw
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Well done 45-110.
I have found that a 1/8" hole gives me the picture I need for the sight 8-10" from the breech. Really more like a ghost ring but it sure works.
Tony Maples
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A few years ago my vision changed very quickly. In late summer I was shooting as good as ever, took 2 deer with my .54 flintlock. Then just after Christmas I got the urge to do some squirrel hunting so I checked the sights on my .40 flintlock. Instead of a good tight group my shots were all high and scattered. I could't focus on the rear sight. Later I was diagnosed with sugar diabetes and that negativly affected my shooting a great deal.
I had been thinking about a peep for some time. I wanted it to be as low to the bore as possible, but with swamped barrels that might be difficult. Anyway, this is what I came up with and I have them on both my flintlocks now. The sight has a 10-32 peg through the rear peep. I had to drill and tap a hole through the tang at an angle to keep the sight square with the front post. The hole is drilled as close to center as possible. There was also work done to the bottom of the tang and to the stock but I won't get into all that.
Like daveC2 I have been asked about making and selling the peep. Keep something in mind here, if I provided this peep how would you mount it? How about dave's sight which is much fancier than mine. Fact is; if a person can take a finished peep and then mount it to your rifle then you have the skills to make the sight yourself.
So think about that then go and make one that suits you and your rifle perfectly.
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That is a nice, useful peep on that tang. It's too bad someone stuck your lock on the wrong side tho.
Beautiful firearm!
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My bad Craig. But now that it's there I really like it.
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It would seem to me that if you made the tang peep with sufficient metal on the bottom, you could file some steel off the bottom until you are shooting correctly in the black.
I am currently working on a Don Stith kit for a "J&S Hawken St Louis Plains Rifle", FS .54 cal. I will try to incorporate a "screw-on" tang peep for hunting purposes, leaving the original sight for shooting matches.
It would be easy enough to solder a thick steel "bottom" onto the sight to allow filing for elevation. The forward tang bolt is in a pretty good position for mounting the sight. And the Lord knows I have a sufficient supply of tang bolts!
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MORTIMERS? I thought they were Reinhardts made in Ohio.
Bob Roller
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it was...I put a mortimer on it. getting blind in my old age...
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what i meant was...the top one is a Reinhard that i put a mortimer on. getting too old to see straight. they help !!
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Do you still have the sights you replaced with the Mortimer sight? It is hard to tell in the photo if there is a forward sight or just a wedge to fill the dovetail. What caliber is that rifle. Would love to take it Pronghorn hunting.
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I actually didnt like the way the Mortimer sight canted at distance after 130 yards or so
so I took that staff off and replaced the Hawken style sight in the dovetail slot. (recently)
the slot is about 9/16 so I made a custom base for it to attach the long hawken sight.
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Forced to stay home project brass hand shaped Acorn peep
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I had to regulate the rear sight (filing from the base to lower groups) seems to work shot 100yrds from bench
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For a "shiny" aperture sight, it certainly seems to work.
Does it have a short peg fitting into a hole in the tank to prevent sideways movement?
I see it is slightly off to the right, and so is the final group, not much, but enough to correct.
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I was thinking some cold blue on the brass peep would tone down the shine a little, and serve you better in the long run. God Bless, Marc
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I was getting grouping to the left sooo I move rear sight to the right (I need to center the rear sight and drift the front sight to the left) and then mark the tang and new sight centered (or add a small allen screw) I'm rumbing it down with barrel soiled fouled patches to get the shine down
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That should work but Marc's suggestion of cold blue might be quicker.
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Another consideration on that brass sight, If it were mine I would make the back of it flat and not coned. I think you will get a sharper sight picture and the slope of the rear cone wont be there to reflect too much light as you look through it.
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Yes - smylee has a point. The rear 'face' should always be flat or have dull black stepped reductions on the surface.
All coning should be from the front surface to get the thinnest possible web.
This one has an adjustable iris at the bottom of a long larger dia. tube so the aperture is always shaded.
(https://i.ibb.co/MhqX5kQ/AJParker-Aperture-Sight003-zps452879c7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YWvrTBw)
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That looks like a quality unit Daryl. Maybe good for a shutzen (sp) style rifle.
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It is an AJ Parker sight and yes, a very good one. On a 28" bl. each click is 1 moa.
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Ok I took your advise, I counter sunk the opening facing the shooter flatting and darkening leaving it ruff/mat . I then took the sight off & put it in a small mound of 4f and flashed it instant dark patina.
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Sounds great!
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Agreed, I think your sight picture will be sharper as a result.
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Ok I took your advise, I counter sunk the opening facing the shooter flatting and darkening leaving it ruff/mat . I then took the sight off & put it in a small mound of 4f and flashed it instant dark patina.
I do all mine with the surface facing the shooter left flat and I countersink the opening facing the front sight. I also paint my peeps flat black though a good browning would probably be just as good.
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updated
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That is better, recurve. I might add here, that a stationary store will have Dry Erase, felt pens. This gives a perfectly flat, black finish
that is easily wiped off with a finger. It also blackens shiny front sights instead of giving them a shiny black appearance, as do
permanent felt marker pens.
The Dry Erase pen is always in my 'possibles' bag for when the front sight is too shiny on an "in the sun" target. Works perfectly. Makes
for a solid flat-black front sight - hint, hint.
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Here's a Peep Sight setup I put on a Halfstock Rifle I just built. I mounted a P.I.Spence on the rear and a hooded front sight. Rear sight is adjustable windage and elevation, really a nice well made sight. Front sight has an adjustable round post in it, it is threaded into the base of the sight, so you have some elevation adjustment there as well.
Good day, Gordy
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I Know this may not be Relevant Buttt . I been shooting a lot of Smooth Bore /Trade Gun.
Guess what they don't have a rear sight!
I was sceptical at first being a rifle shooter but i can tell you with load development and practice they can be surprisingly accurate i shoot mine offhand out to 75 yards regularly and can hit a 9 inch gong pretty well
I shoot small stuff too little gongs at 40 yards.
NOW LET ME TELL YOU THIS ...............
I once saw a English gun with a Rib about 1/8 inch wide full length with a Gold Bead on the front , I don't Know if It was SmoothBore or not, but the Barrel was round full length.
And the RIB--- "GET THIS " Solid with the Barrel, not Soldered on but Machined right with the barrel with a bead on the front.( Those Darn English)
I think If you had a rifled Bore - On that Round Barrel with the small Rib and Bead out front , It would be real neat and pretty accurate too, enough to Ring the Gongs!
Just sounding off a little.
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In the mid 1800's, double English guns, according to Forsyth, should have sight leaves that all fold flat. Sighting for point blank shooting
is done by simply sighting down the rib and using only the bead at the front. Sufficient elevation is given by the larger breeches of the barrels.
My own .69 rifle has 3 leaves that all fold flat. Point blank shooting, out to 50 yards, is taken over the rear sight boss, putting the bead on top
of the folded front leaf. This gives exactly the same elevation as if raising the rear leaf.
With the normal trail walk charge of 82 to 85gr. 2F, this gives a 25 and 50 yard zero. With the hunting load, this sighting, flat over the folded leaves
gives a 100 yard zero. Thus, for normal hunting range to about 120yards, no leaf needs to be raised if there isn't time. The accuracy with this
arrangement is just fine.
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Here is mine , really does help
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