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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: backsplash75 on May 06, 2020, 05:40:00 PM

Title: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: backsplash75 on May 06, 2020, 05:40:00 PM
This rifle was in the Smithsonian's "Price of Freedom" exhibit over a decade ago, and the photography is limited (Smithsonian database has only one), I am pretty sure it was published elsewhere, does anyone have better images?

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American Long Rifle
Date: about 1760
Catalog #: 1979.0516.01    Accession #: 1979.0516
Credit: Division of Military History and Diplomacy, National Museum of American History

Dimensions / Weight
Dimensions: 8" H x 60" W x 2.5" D
Physical Description
American long rifle, .54 caliber with wooden patchbox.
Specific History
This early example of the American long rifle reflects its Germanic origins. It has a wooden patchbox for storing patches to load and clean with; a flared muzzle and thick shoulder stock which are like that of the German Jaeger rifle.


(https://i.ibb.co/F8db2gp/smithsoniandisplay600.png) (https://ibb.co/2cp7xgJ)


Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on May 06, 2020, 05:54:50 PM
I can't get the pics to open up larger, for some reason.  Isn't that the "tulip rifle?"
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: rich pierce on May 06, 2020, 05:55:14 PM
Looks like rifle 110 in Rifles of Colonial America volume 2. I’m basing that on guard shape and architecture.

Some think 110 may be Scandinavian. It’s stocked in birch. It’s a smooth rifle. Carving is crude and the cheekpiece is round.

Just read Eric’s reply. Could be the tulip rifle.
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: backsplash75 on May 06, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
The lock looks different than the Tulip rifle's lock with the filed line on the tail. Looks REALLY close to RCA 110 and has a similar OAL, but the Smithsonian object info for the gun says .54 and RCA110 is listed as .51", of course one of those might be a typo.
 

Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on May 06, 2020, 08:06:09 PM
Oh yeah, I think you're right - it's 110.  I think I was merging that one and the tulip rifle together in my mind because quite a number of folks think both of them may be Scandinavian.  It's an interesting hypothesis, and very possibly accurate.
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: backsplash75 on May 06, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
thanks for the input fellas!  :)
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: smart dog on June 14, 2020, 12:39:24 AM
Hi,
Another interesting note about the Smithsonian display is the matchlock gun in the case (the "Newtown gun") is a 20th century fake. 

dave
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: backsplash75 on June 14, 2020, 08:36:36 PM
Hi,
Another interesting note about the Smithsonian display is the matchlock gun in the case (the "Newtown gun") is a 20th century fake. 

dave

One can get in a good bit of trouble pointing out such things in certain crowds. That isn't the only funky inscribed/branded gun is suspicious at that institution.  :o
Title: Re: in Search of...Smithsonian "transitional rifle" pics
Post by: mr. no gold on June 15, 2020, 08:44:14 PM
And speaking of the Smithsonian, it is surprising how few Kentucky Rifles they have when compared with all of the other weapon types. I had an opportunity a number of years ago to go 'inside' for a tour and had expected to see some spectacular things, but the best I saw was Koons Maryland rifle which had a brass sun shield on the barrel. I think that the powder horn collection they have may be a different story.
Dick