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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: WESTbury on June 07, 2020, 04:02:48 PM
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As far as I can tell, the flintlock shown in the attached photos meets all of the requirements of what DeWitt Bailey describes as a Officer's Fusil on pages 130 to 134 of his book Small Arms of the British Forces in America. It is silver mounted and cut back at the muzzle to fit a bayonet. Per Bailey; "Generally speaking, an officer's fusil may be described as a full-stocked fowling piece whose muzzle is adapted for a socket bayonet, whose caliber will accept regulation carbine(.615 in) or musket (.693 in) ammunition, and which is fitted with sling swivels.". The name on the lock belongs to Edward Newton who, per Bailey, built "complete arms" in the years 1759-1761.
The only problem with this weapon is that it does not belong to me. :)
My friend whose Foglesanger rifle I posted in the Contemporary Collecting section of this forum, owns this fusil. He would welcome any input from members of the ALR Forum about this arm. He's not interested in values, just history and any background info.
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Hi,
Edward Newton worked from 1718 until his death in 1764. A long 46 year career and all of it spent in Grantham, Lincolnshire, England. His work was greatly esteemed by the wealthy sportsmen that were his clients. He also made some of his own barrels rather than purchasing blanks from a barrel maker. Perhaps most importantly, he trained some of the greatest gun makers who ever lived and worked in England. Robert Wogdon and John Twigg apprenticed with Newton. In addition, John Manton apprenticed to the gun maker who was likely Newton's shop foreman, William Edson. That is a lovely gun and I suspect it is an officer's fusil from the 1740s or early 1750s.
dave
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Dave----Appreciate all the great information and I'm sure my friend will also.
I know that Bailey has Newton listed a supplying 600 Marine or Militia Muskets for which Newton supplied many of the components including barrels, locks, brass furniture, etc.
But, that is about the extent of what Bailey attributes to Newton.
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Hi,
This is likely the location of Newton's shop on High Street in Grantham. The original building was demolished and rebuilt in 1910.
(https://i.ibb.co/tzjmcFt/Edward-Newton-shop.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mfw2pQ4)
So curiously, the little market town of Grantham produced 5 of the finest gun makers in England, Edward Newton, John Twigg, Robert Wogdon, John Manton, and Joe Manton. It is also the place where Isaac Newton went to King's School as a child.
dave
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Dave,
This is great. I knew I could rely on the members of this forum.
Appreciate it!
Kent
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Newton's shop was on the Great North Road — the primary route north for any of the gentry or peerage traveling in that direction to their country seats. They all had to go past his shop so he had no reason to locate in London. The London market came to him.
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Joe--As the hackneyed saying goes; "Location, location, location."
Kent
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At least he had a Subway next door so he could grab a quick lunch.
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Hi Mike,
I suspect if he ate at Subway very often, he would not have had a 46-year career.
dave
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A Lovely gun, West.
Very elegant lines, and Edward Newton was a very fine maker, as Smart Dog says.
I would have expected some engraving on the buttplate finial;
Do you think it was "smoothed out" if badly rusted ? The stock looks a little refreshed, so maybe the buttplate got the same treatment.
Congratulate your friend on this piece. a genuine one at that!
Richard.
pS,
Dave,
I've had a 50 year career up to now, but only eaten at Subway twice....
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I'm sure it has been rubbed, polished, and who knows what over the years.
I read some years ago that some of the troops in the 18th & 19th Century would burnish the barrels of their muskets so hard, that the barrels developed thin walls at the muzzle. Additionally, some barrels had to be straightened, although that seems to be something of an exaggeration in my mind.
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Hi Kent,
I suspect the thin barrel walls at the muzzle were from using steel ramrods, a lot. If they burnished the outside of the muzzle so hard as to reduce the outside diameter, the bayonet would have a sloppy fit, something I am sure they wanted to avoid. I've custom fitted quite a few bayonets and it does not take much excess filing and polishing of the barrel to create a sloppy fit. Then the bayonet sticks in the body rather than pulls out still attached to the barrel.
dave
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The steel ramrods would result in wear to the bores on muskets with barrels with thin walls due to non-uniform barrel forging and boring.
Early on, Springfield tried solving the thin walls at the muzzle by actually brazing bayonets having modified sockets to the muzzles of 15,000 new production muskets. Nearly half of these muskets, 7,042 to be exact, ended up having approximately 12 inches cut off, in 1813, resulting in a 33 inch long barrel. This caused a great uproar because they were to have only 3 to 4 inches cutoff. In 1815 most all of these shortened muskets were sold, 6,042 in number were sold to arms dealer William Crammond. Most of the rest were sold as refuse.
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So curiously, the little market town of Grantham produced 5 of the finest gun makers in England, Edward Newton, John Twigg, Robert Wogdon, John Manton, and Joe Manton. It is also the place where Isaac Newton went to King's School as a child.
dave
Something in the water, undoubtedly.
Ez