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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on August 13, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
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To assist our viewers with " live" exhibits that they may visit, the museum staff ( Nord and I and the Committee) are requesting that you reply to this request with the names of Musuems or other similar displays where the viewing public can view original Kentucky Rifles. We will then add this thread as a resource in the "Library " section of the ALR
A brief discussion of what is located at the site would also help the reader.
Thanks for helping us build this site to become a major resource to collectors, builders and other students and interested parties.
Hurricane
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The DeWitt Wallace Decorative Arts Museum of Colonial Williamsburg has several longrifles on exhibit. The number varies because some are on loan and they are located in two different areas---one exhibit is a general firearms display tracing the evolution of military and civilian firearms used in Colonial American from the early 18th century to the second quarter of the 19th century. This exhibit is to the left of the main staircase near the cafeteria.
The second area to look for is called the "Master Works Gallery" at that is where you will fine the grand John Sheetz rifle, the early Honaker rifle and a few top of the line European arms. This exhibit is to the left at the head of the stairs.
Access to the Museum is included in admission to the Historic Area (including the Powder Magazine and Gunsmith Shop) or a seperate Museums only ticket may be purchased on site.
Gary
Looks like no one else is responding so I'll add a couple more museums.
The Rockingham Historical Society has a nice small museum with several longrifles at;
382 High St
Dayton, VA 22821
(540) 879-2681
The Museum of Early Southern Decorative Arts (MESDA) in Old Salem NC has about a dozen longrifles on display. I have heard that they are not part of the "regular" hourly decorative arts tour any more so you might want to call in advance to get some time to study them. 336-721-7360.
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I hope this is appropriate. Campus Martiaus (sp?) in Marietta Ohio has a display of Ohio rifles. I know, I know, Pennsylvania/Ohio. Remove if not what was expected.
Bruce
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Landis Valley Museum, Lancaster, PA has some original Lancaster rifles.
See: https://www.landisvalleymuseum.org/index.php
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I was very impressed with the Bufflo Bill Cody museum in Cody Wy. They had the best collection of Hawken rifles I have ever seen but the Icing on the cake was the JP Beck smooth rifle and the Nicolas Beyer long rifle That I spent most of my time looking at.
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Dixie Gun Works in Union City, Tn has a display that is astounding. I am suprised someone hasn't put together a book similar to the Kindig book on that collection.
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To all of the above, I would add, almost any small, local museum in every state in this country. An example of this, that comes to mind, is The Plainsman Museum in Aurora, NB. They have a number of rifles that played roles in the history of that state. Ditto, the others.
Almost any large city, or county museum, seems to have a few or more, which early settlers used in that area. Historical Society museums are a good place to look, too.
The Lebanon County Historical Society, in Lebanon, PA has examples of Beck and Beyer rifles as well as some other pieces. Of course, the Historical Society of PA, in Harrisburg, has rifles including the finest Issac Haines gun in existence. You just have to have the time and the desire to look.
Regards-Dick
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I recommend Rockford Plantation (Hand homestead) in Lancaster, PA. Henry Kauffman donated much of his collection to this museum. Other good "Dutchy" stuff, too. Worth a stop. Also the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC has an absolutely remarkable Peter Kuntz on display, nearly worth a trip to NYC and the traffic all by itself. Don't miss it when in town. JWH
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The Museum of Early Southern Decorative Arts (MESDA) at Old Salem in Winston Salem North Carolina has a nice group, maybe around 10, but all very good examples, of southern rifles on display including a great, carved, iron mounted step wrist gun.
The Museum of Appalachia in Norris TN has a nice display of mountain rifles and gunsmith tools.
The William Whitley House in Crab Orchard, KY has one of the greatest southern guns and horns on display - the Jacob Young rifle for William Whitley, and Whitley's horn and strap.
The Frazier in Louisville has some nice longrifles including the "Washington Beck"
The Log Cabon Shop in Lodi Ohio has a back room with lots of nice, mostly late Ohio, rifles.
The Kentucky State historical museum, and the Kentucky Military History museum in Frankfort, have some nice rifles on display but a number of them are shown a bit out of context, i.e. late (but still nice) rifles shown as being associated with the early frontier period.
If you can (I couldn't this year...) go to to the CLA show or the Tennessee show at Norris - or stop by Wallace and Gary's booth at Friendship - these are rare chances to see more great original longrifles, really close up, in one place than are displayed at most of the museums combined - and you get the benefit of reallly good information from the experts to boot! I have learned a lot from spending a few hours hanging around the displays at these shows and it also makes me realize how much I don't know - every time I go it opens up my eyes to new things I was not aware of and it is really great of the folks who tote these valuable old pieces around, take the time to set up displays, and share them and their knowledge with the rest of us.
Guy
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Guys,
In addition to what is listed above. The High Point Historical Museum in High Point, N.C. has 14 Longrifles on display, 3 are from outside North Carolina, 2 are Henry Ledford Longrifles from Davidson County and the 11 others are Jamestown Rifles from Guilford County.
In addition, the Greensboro Historical Museum has a great weapons collection. Upstairs is the John Murphy Confederate Collection. It is the largest Confederate Manufactured Rifle and Carbine Collection in the world, around 165 pieces, all on display along with some original artwork by Don Troiani. On the first floor they have two early North Carolina Longrifles in their Revolutionary War Section and 7 Jamestown Rifles on display in their own section.
The Museum of the Shenandoah Valley in Winchester, Va. has some valley Longrifles on display also.
Those that want to learn more about North Carolina Longrifles are always welcomed to contact me. I have a large collection and usually have a few for sale, currently four of them.
My office number is 336-274-4758 and my home number is 336-854-2244.
Hope that helps.
Michael Briggs
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Most definitely the Herman P Dean collection at the Huntington WV museum of art. Hecollected guns and Eskimo carvings, the museum has both!
https://www.hmoa.org/pages/aa-herman.html
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The Montour Co. Historical Society in Danville, PA has several nice rifles including one by J. P. Beck and one by Joe Long.
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I recommend Rockford Plantation (Hand homestead) in Lancaster, PA. Henry Kauffman donated much of his collection to this museum. Other good "Dutchy" stuff, too. Worth a stop. Also the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC has an absolutely remarkable Peter Kuntz on display, nearly worth a trip to NYC and the traffic all by itself. Don't miss it when in town. JWH
CALL before you attempt to go here. They will likely not be open...really ticked me off last time I was up there...
The Frazer Historical Arms Museum in Louisville, Ky. A must-visit museum to be sure.
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I agree with Chris on calling Rockford Plantation, I traveled 5 hours to get there and when I asked where the guns were, the girl asked if I had an appointment. After some discussion she finally relented and allowed me in for 1 hour, but said that she could not turn all the lights on. Many of the display cases were not illuminated (burned out bulbs). The general feeling was that they were much more interested in antiques than the muzzleloaders. They have some nice guns (silver mounted Beck fowler etc.) but it certainly is not their main emphasis!
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Jacobsburg Historical society/Pa longrifle museum has a great display and their special events usually have a display of membership privately owned collections that you may not see elsewhere. Some of the nicest guns Ive had a chance to handle have been displayed at JHS. Its worth checking out what is on display at the spring rifle frolic and the fall fur trade event. Another perc is that you often have the owner of the collection all to yourself if they arent busy and you can pic their brain. The Henery family history is well worth the trip by itself as well as the original Nicklos Hawk gun shop!Check it out!
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The National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Virginia
http://www.nationalfirearmsmuseum.org/
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Guys,
In addition to what is listed above. The High Point Historical Museum in High Point, N.C. has 14 Longrifles on display, 3 are from outside North Carolina, 2 are Henry Ledford Longrifles from Davidson County and the 11 others are Jamestown Rifles from Guilford County.
In addition, the Greensboro Historical Museum has a great weapons collection. Upstairs is the John Murphy Confederate Collection. It is the largest Confederate Manufactured Rifle and Carbine Collection in the world, around 165 pieces, all on display along with some original artwork by Don Troiani. On the first floor they have two early North Carolina Longrifles in their Revolutionary War Section and 7 Jamestown Rifles on display in their own section.
The Museum of the Shenandoah Valley in Winchester, Va. has some valley Longrifles on display also.
Those that want to learn more about North Carolina Longrifles are always welcomed to contact me. I have a large collection and usually have a few for sale, currently four of them.
My office number is 336-274-4758 and my home number is 336-854-2244.
Hope that helps.
Michael Briggs
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Guys,
In addition to what is listed above. The High Point Historical Museum in High Point, N.C. has 14 Longrifles on display, 3 are from outside North Carolina, 2 are Henry Ledford Longrifles from Davidson County and the 11 others are Jamestown Rifles from Guilford County.
In addition, the Greensboro Historical Museum has a great weapons collection. Upstairs is the John Murphy Confederate Collection. It is the largest Confederate Manufactured Rifle and Carbine Collection in the world, around 165 pieces, all on display along with some original artwork by Don Troiani. On the first floor they have two early North Carolina Longrifles in their Revolutionary War Section and 7 Jamestown Rifles on display in their own section.
The Museum of the Shenandoah Valley in Winchester, Va. has some valley Longrifles on display also.
Those that want to learn more about North Carolina Longrifles are always welcomed to contact me. I have a large collection and usually have a few for sale, currently four of them.
My office number is 336-274-4758 and my home number is 336-854-2244.
Hope that helps.
Michael Briggs
I am interested in building a copy of the Deep river school rifle with the Germanic lock and the sliding patchbox, the first one in your article on the Deep River. Is it possible that I could make a stock profile tracing and measure the rifle to copy her? I would like to build an NC rifle in time for the Southeastern Rendez vous next November 2010. Thanks for any help. Danny Nye, Beaufort, NC
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the carneigie museum in oakland
the hienz museum in the strip district[also an impressive f&i war exhibit]
the blockhouse at point park
all in pittsburgh pa
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IN Ohio the musrum in Roscoe Village near Coshoct on has a nice display of Ohio made rifle guns
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may i also add
the old stone house museum in butler county pa
the forest county historical society in tionesta pa
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You might enjoy a trip to Chadron NB and The Musuem of the Fur Trade, The Davis musuem in Clairmore OK or The Mineapolis Institute of Art. These are a few plus countless State and Historical sites. Gary
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I was very impressed with the Bufflo Bill Cody museum in Cody Wy. They had the best collection of Hawken rifles I have ever seen but the Icing on the cake was the JP Beck smooth rifle and the Nicolas Beyer long rifle That I spent most of my time looking at.
They have some others that drift in an out of being on display. I think there are two Stophil Smith swivel breech rifles but these are not in the class with the Beck. Also have a heavy H. Warner slug gun I would love to shoot, they have the tools or so I am told . There are typical and a very fancy atypical Hawken rifles, 1803 HF, Mantons.....
The Beck (and the Beyer too) really needs to be in a walk around case but first needs a lock replacement. The original is gone and the replacement is a late import lock that is pretty crude.
The mortise indicates the original lock was like the one on pg 71 of Whiskers "Gunsmiths of Lancaster County"
Dan
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Of course, the Historical Society of PA, in Harrisburg, has rifles including the finest Issac Haines gun in existence.
Regards-Dick
The Historical Society of Pennsylvania is located in Philadelphia. Which museum in Harrisburg?
Martin Keen
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The link stated on page 1 for the Herman Dean collection at the Huntington Museum of Art doesn't work.
Use this link:
https://www.hmoa.org/collections/herman-p-dean-firearms-collection/
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The Atlanta Historical Museum: Last time I was there the Museum had on display rifles found in the area of North Georgia including ones built by ? Meiel (possibly Meiel Easley...my note taking was poor!), Briggs Garland and Robert Hughs. These were all caplock Southern Rifles from the late 1800's IIRC. The young lady on the Museum staff with whom I talked said the Museum had several more old muzzleloading rifles that could be viewed, studied and photographed with a request for an appointment.
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The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn MI has an arms collection that includes several longrifles including a nice early Christian Beck. It's not alot but heck this aint PA.
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Last summer I was to three museums, The Museum of the Fur Trade at Chadron, NE, the Davis Gun Museum at Claremore, OK, and Jim Gordon's museum at Glorieta, NM, about 15 miles SE of Sante Fe. Gordon's is by far the best. He has hundreds of original longrifles, but I was most interested in the two dozen Hawkens and that many Lemans, so I didn't study the Pennsylvania and Kentucky rifles he has. There are hundreds of them, and you can photograph them or even handle them. He has Mariano Modena's Hawken, and Tom Tobin's. Gordon is not into computers so you won't find anything in a search. To visit his museum, you have to call and arrange a time to visit. He is Jim Gordon, 808 Paseo de la Cuma, Sante Fe, NM 8501, phone (505) 982-9667. He published the 3 book set "Great Gunmakers for the Early West", with color photographs of many of his own guns. There is no ISBN number, foget Amazon, you have to order the set from him at $295 shipped. Here are some of his original Hawkens.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/HerbGLT/JGHawkens.jpg)
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I didn't see anyone mention Winterthur outside of Wilmington, DE. They have a number of great longrilfes in their collection including an outstanding Issac Haines. It is the best quality original longrifle I have ever seen.
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Century Village in Burton Ohio has a pretty nice display of antique guns, mostly military, and accessories. They also have several vintage buildings and displays. I believe they are only open on special weekends so their web site should be checked before making a trip. Jack
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may i also add
the old stone house museum in butler county pa
the forest county historical society in tionesta pa
Pro. When is the stone house open. Seems always closed
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Herb, Thanks for Jim Gordon's Address, could not find it anywhere!
Gus
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The Ralph Foster museum at School of the Ozarks has a nice gun room. They are located near Branson MO. The Kennett Hawken is on display there and they have many more mostly percussion era guns. (They also have Jed Clampets' Truck!!!)
http://www.rfostermuseum.com/
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Well don't skip Valley Forge National Park. They have a nice display a few years ago and I got a great chance to go over a 1774 dated and signed Christian Oerter/
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The Davis Gun Museaum in Claremore, OK has a ton of fine and interesting longrifles, and many other muzzeloaders including a Nock volley gun. ;D
http://www.thegunmuseum.com/ (http://www.thegunmuseum.com/)
http://www.thegunmuseum.com/jmdavis2010/firearms/firearmsgallery/index.html (http://www.thegunmuseum.com/jmdavis2010/firearms/firearmsgallery/index.html)
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Huntington Museum of Art Herman Dean Gun Collection current web address:
https://www.hmoa.org/art/collections/herman-p-dean-firearms-collection
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Nashville, Tenn. Polk Building has several Tenn. rifles, the Bean pistols, a gunsmith shop. This is their State Museum. Indiana State Museum has the John Small rifle & pistol & tomahawk. Over in Lafayette, Indiana at the Battle Grounds Museum there are old muzzleloaders on display.
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The Museum of the Revolution (Commonwealth of Virginia facility not NPS) in Yorktown Virginia has a great (and expanding) collection of period arms including several very important Longrifles (RCA #104 & 142). Also, one of the Capture rifles (Thomas Rifle RCA # 121) is there on loan from the Crown.
Bruce
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The Bennington museum has an original fowler,some military arms and later percussion era arms on display as well as Horns and other things in the Battle of Bennington exhibit.Not exactly longrifles but worth a stop if you are in the area.
https://benningtonmuseum.org/
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The Camden archives in Camden South Carolina houses the Beard collection many nice early pieces flint locks.