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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: Avlrc on July 31, 2020, 03:04:46 AM
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Trying to load some pics for Homerifle. Will load more , for some reason all my pics are loading to downloads, not to pics. Homerifle can chime in and explain photos.
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I got this bag from Marcruger to go with the rifle I finished up last year. Thought you guys might want to see it with Marc's great bag. Inspired from the brass barrel rifle that most everyone knows about and the sister rifle. I guess this is the redheaded stepchild!
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A very fine pair homerifle. Very fine indeed. Congrats.
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Looks awesome, the rifle and the bag. Great work on the rifle!!
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Fascinating carving John. Now I see why you wanted the Join or Die bag to go with it. Very nice sir. God Bless, Marc
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“Wow” , great combo !
Collectors will be discussing this pair a hundred years from now!
No better compliment than than that. Thanks for sharing !
Bob
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This is a great combination. Outstanding job by you both.
Bob
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What a great match!
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More pics.
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Thanks to everyone for looking and for the kind remarks. It sure was a fun build. Thanks Marc for the bag and thank you Avlrc for posting the pictures.
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Whoa! I call that "special"!
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Very nice combination indeed...Marc I like the bag an homer really like the folksy carving you did... Something a little different from the norm. Like it a lot...Oldtravler
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I really like em.
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John, You now need a Tim Crosby snake horn. They are amazing.
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(https://i.ibb.co/q5FQ21G/Marc-Bag-12-Crosby-3156.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FVqTd7v)
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Marc, They have had my attention for awhile now. They definitely have the cool factor going on!
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Homerifle, man you need one of those snake horns. The one with the lighter color snake is a close match to the snake on your rifle.
Dig deep buddy and add that horn to your package, have Tim add a little scrimshaw to the base stating your ownership.
Man I have visions of that outfit being displayed.....!
Great outfit....
Bob
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Another Crosby snake horn. BTW, the horn with the light colored snake will never be for sale. :D
(https://i.ibb.co/0ntVnk4/Crosby-Snake-Pewter-005.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zmJHm19)
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Marc, that's very tempting. I like this one over the other two however I'll probably use an original antique horn.
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Marc don't remember seeing those snake horns before...
They have a VERY cool factor to them indeed....
Oldtravler
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Love that rifle and bag! Now you really need a snake horn! WOW!
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Guys, only the second of those snake horns lives at my house. Tim is quite prolific in the snake field, even making a snake cane not long ago. Quite the talent that Mr. Crosby.
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Neat rifle.
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Neat rifle.
Thanks for looking. I might add that this is my 4th. rifle build, finished June 2019. I finished number 7 a couple weeks ago. All are built from the blank. The wood came from Jim Kibler ,chamber's lock and Colerain barrel in .45 cal. All hardware forged by me. Oh, I got lazy and used a Davis single trigger I had laying around instead of making one. Two and half inch drop and thirteen and half inch pull. So far I only build for me. That way I only have to make one person happy!
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John has a good view & imagination on this outfit Mark. I like it & I think he thought this out well !! I like what he did.
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I like this style of carving. Is there a name for this type of more rustic engraving style? Folk?
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I like this style of carving. Is there a name for this type of more rustic engraving style? Folk?
I'm going to give you a long answer to the carving question. I have been a collector and student of the Kentucky rifle for over fifty years. Hunted and shot them for about the same. To justify this build I had a original forged southern iron guard that is very close to shape and design to RCA 103's brass guard. I also built a bench copy of 103. I also built a "folky" carved rifle in the style that is attributed to Andreas Albrecht. I wanted to build a iron mounted gun roughly in the style of 103. This is where the carving idea comes into the picture. From 1770 to 1776 there was a news paper called the Massachusetts Spy. It was circulated in all thirteen colonies with about 3500 subscribers. Some of the subscribers could have been gunsmiths. The top of the Spy had the picture of a snake cut in pieces depicting the colonies and the dragon depicting England. So with an original early iron guard of southern origin and a news paper picture that was circulated over all thirteen colonies I set out to build a rifle. A rifle that could have been built in the 1770's by a patriotic gunsmith. So to answer your question you already answered yes the carving is "folky." IMHO it falls within the carving style of Andreas Albrecht attributed rifles.
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Very cool!
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Really nicely made - very nice job forging and filing the hardware and a neat concept for the carving.
You are certainly getting some nice feedback here. When you mention "justifying" your build I would hope you mean it more in the sense of explaining your concept rather than feeling a need to defend it somehow. Over on one of the gun building threads I had been sharing the idea that "tradition" may too often perceived as a line drawn in the sand. Too often we disregard the fact that artisitic creativity is a huge part of that tradition . What would the longrifle be without it? The art of the longrifle has been evolving since the beginning. Why should it stop? Don't mean to hijack your thread , just trying to add another layer to the conversation!
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...A rifle that could have been built in the 1770's by a patriotic gunsmith. So to answer your question you already answered yes the carving is "folky." IMHO it falls within the carving style of Andreas Albrecht attributed rifles.
I've seen the Ben Franklin snake cartoon (Join, or Die) which is what I assumed you were referencing, but didn't know the Dragon represented England. I think it's a great motif and I like the more rustic character. Personally I don't care for the elaborate (Rococo?) carving on most Lancaster rifles. Where can I find examples of this Andreas Albrecht style? I looked in the Library here but could only find information about Albrecht himself, not photos of his rifles.
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...A rifle that could have been built in the 1770's by a patriotic gunsmith. So to answer your question you already answered yes the carving is "folky." IMHO it falls within the carving style of Andreas Albrecht attributed rifles.
I've seen the Ben Franklin snake cartoon (Join, or Die) which is what I assumed you were referencing, but didn't know the Dragon represented England. I think it's a great motif and I like the more rustic character. Personally I don't care for the elaborate (Rococo?) carving on most Lancaster rifles. Where can I find examples of this Andreas Albrecht style? I looked in the Library here but could only find information about Albrecht himself, not photos of his rifles.
Brian you can find Albrecht rifles and John Christian Oerter in the RCA book vol. 1, Lehigh Valley Christian's Spring school. The book Moravian Gun Making of The American Revolution and the KRA 2019 CD Moravian Made Rifles. If you don't own any of the books I believe the CD would be the way for you to go and the most reasonable to purchase. You will find the type of carving your interested in the last two publications.
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Really nicely made - very nice job forging and filing the hardware and a neat concept for the carving.
You are certainly getting some nice feedback here. When you mention "justifying" your build I would hope you mean it more in the sense of explaining your concept rather than feeling a need to defend it somehow. Over on one of the gun building threads I had been sharing the idea that "tradition" may too often perceived as a line drawn in the sand. Too often we disregard the fact that artisitic creativity is a huge part of that tradition . What would the longrifle be without it? The art of the longrifle has been evolving since the beginning. Why should it stop? Don't mean to hijack your thread , just trying to add another layer to the conversation!
Ian, I had read the the thread you mentioned and refrained from making any comments. I guess the word justify was on my mind instead of just saying where my concept came from which was real historic evidence. I agree with you that the artistic creativity evolved in this country early on and that it still continues to evolve. Some masters work evolved to the point that if their work wasn't signed you wouldn't recognize it as theirs. Where others felt comfortable and didn't evolve or just built the same thing for economic reasons. Thanks for your comment Ian good to hear from you!