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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: MuskratMike on August 13, 2020, 02:23:31 AM

Title: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: MuskratMike on August 13, 2020, 02:23:31 AM

I found this article in the November, 1944 issue of Muzzle Blasts Magazine. Has anyone seen a rifle like this? I hope the text in the short article comes through (if not here is a short description). "The rifle was made by William Palmer a gunsmith in Rochester, England in what year I have no idea. The flash pan and the nipple are in one piece and this screws into the barrel below its center on the flat, flash hole is drilled in the barrel to coincide with the hollowed out portion of the flash pan. The lower jaw of the hammer is made very heavy and is hollowed out like any percussion hammer to strike the nipple."

(https://i.ibb.co/YDm8gYQ/DI-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJgvLN8)

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: WESTbury on August 13, 2020, 02:31:19 AM

That is pretty cool. You have to cover all your bases.

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: OLUT on August 13, 2020, 04:01:14 AM

I've never seen a rifle with that type dual ignition system, but several pistols with that feature are discussed and illustrated in "Early Percussion Firearms" by Winant. He states that, "many gunmakers experimented with dual ignition systems, but that only two makers, both English, produced more than a few examples....Davis was one; Ezekiel Baker was the other . The Davis lock was patented in 1822 ....."

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: WESTbury on August 19, 2020, 04:54:40 PM

Here's one on the loose.
(https://i.ibb.co/0y1PjNh/main-C87-UL1-BH.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zzvy6sW)

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: Hawken62_flint on September 01, 2020, 03:59:34 AM

I knew a guy that loved flintlocks so much that when he built his wife a rifle, it was a percussion,  but the frizzen covered the nipple. Until it was cocked you didn't know it wasn't flint.

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: Molly on November 22, 2020, 04:12:12 AM

THANKS GUYS!  Just was talking to a "man" in our shooting group who swore I was in the jug too much tonight.  Guess you'll help me prove him wrong!

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: Avlrc on November 22, 2020, 04:17:52 AM

Quote from: WESTbury on August 19, 2020, 04:54:40 PM

Here's one on the loose.
(https://i.ibb.co/0y1PjNh/main-C87-UL1-BH.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zzvy6sW)

That is interesting.  Not what I was thinking.

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: mountainman70 on November 23, 2020, 01:47:30 AM

Molly,ain't a thing wrong with bein in the jug.Thatn on the porch of Fiddlers cabin look rite sportin.
Best regards Dave  8) 8)

Title: Re: Dual Ignition muzzleloader system
Post by: TN Longhunter on November 24, 2020, 05:42:46 AM

Houston Harris, Nashville, gunmaker made his son a youth rifle with that same dual system. Had a chance to buy gun, pouch and horn all by his hand. Short of cash and sold before I could get it together.