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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: tim973 on September 04, 2020, 02:08:20 PM

Title: Flintlock ID
Post by: tim973 on September 04, 2020, 02:08:20 PM

I picked up this lock on ebay for a pistol build. Does anyone happen to have an idea on the maker or rough time period of this lock? Thanks
(https://i.ibb.co/nwG4nZW/20200904-060858.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgfc6kB)

(https://i.ibb.co/kmVhvQ8/20200904-060844.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sWpFzyw)

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: WESTbury on September 04, 2020, 02:58:56 PM

Check out George Neumann's book, page 263. Dutch lock.

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: tim973 on September 04, 2020, 03:31:16 PM

Thanks WESTbury ill have to order a copy.

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: Mike Brooks on September 04, 2020, 04:41:23 PM

That was easy.

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: WESTbury on September 04, 2020, 09:16:34 PM

The symbol on the lockplate is intriguing. It looks to be representation of a fruit tree or palm tree. Don't recall seeing it before.

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: WESTbury on September 05, 2020, 04:18:31 AM

I sent the photos posted by Tim to Jim Kochan. Jim agrees that the lock could be Dutch although he thinks the "oddly" faceted and what he termed "somewhat clunky" hammer and frizzen may indicate Eastern European or even Russian.

Are there any markings on the inside surface of the lockplate?

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: Hungry Horse on September 05, 2020, 07:51:14 AM

Most Russian locks of the period were very similar to French locks. I would guess Dutch, or Prussian.

  Hungry Horse

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: tim973 on September 05, 2020, 12:47:19 PM

WESTbury I did not see any marking on the internals. Its pretty dirty ill give it a little cleaning today and see if anything pops up. I agree the symbol on the Lock is a palm tree. The palm tree also appears to be gold leaf

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: tim973 on September 05, 2020, 02:53:11 PM

Gave it a cleaning dont see any other marking besides the palm tree

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: tim973 on September 05, 2020, 04:33:16 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/NtgN2tX/20200905-091240.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zQW2VQ1)

(https://i.ibb.co/zHhsrBW/20200905-091225.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrNyRPZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yy77ZJb/20200905-091219.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8dDDcGX)

(https://i.ibb.co/Zh666Lj/20200905-091204.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BgVVVzp)

(https://i.ibb.co/dfjvX55/20200905-091150.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZfGrvMM)

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: vanu on September 05, 2020, 06:07:46 PM

I seem to remember a lock similar to this on some African (?) trade muskets that an antique importer had back in the 90's here in Norfolk.

Title: Re: Flintlock ID
Post by: WESTbury on September 05, 2020, 06:15:22 PM

The powder magazine in the pan appears to be rather small. Could be camera lens distortion.