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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: Jerry on September 27, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
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Two steel chargers, 3 3/4” length.
(https://i.ibb.co/gFmB5Qc/8-A6-C27-F3-40-B8-4-EDA-9696-39-ACFBF00-CE6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LhY2LBs)
(https://i.ibb.co/VLQF86h/9-AFAD4-AB-CAFE-4381-947-F-975-B919-F56-E0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4FYbxkD)
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Jerry,
What’s a charger? First time I’ve seen one.
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Mike, They were made to carry shot in one end and powder in the other. Can carry powder in each end. As far as the history of chargers of this type, James Rogers could add more historical information than I. Jerry
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Carry shot in one side and powder in the other.
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Since Jerry mentioned me I will say these type of chargers are a favorite with me for hunting with a fowling piece.
Nice and compact and you just need wadding.
There is a 1772 Maryland record documenting the order of two fowling pieces from London and each was to be supplied with ........"6 Steel spring charges for do each to contain in each charger a load of powder & shot & no
more of each than the proper load of the gun."
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Thanks James! I knew your addition would add historical significance to the chargers. Thanks, Jerry
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The real question is: how the heck do they work?
Tim
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Tim,
Each end has a spring loaded cover. The spring is down one side of the body of the charger and is common to both ends. Can send some pics if you want.
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Tim,
Each end has a spring loaded cover. The spring is down one side of the body of the charger and is common to both ends. Can send some pics if you want.
Still not getting it, how about posting some Pix in "Accouterments".
Thanks, Tim
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Will post a video later today.
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the have an internal devider that separates the shot from the powder. Like a back packers salt and pepper container
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No video. Hope these pictures will explain the external lid spring, hinge pin, and lid.
(https://i.ibb.co/7y2HzQf/24-EBEE25-4948-4-D47-84-E1-2-F760-C3-CD43-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tC8ShzG)
(https://i.ibb.co/TMhCHJH/2-E9-F1-BDE-CCE1-4-ADB-942-B-978481-E3-DD48.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9HYMqBq)
(https://i.ibb.co/hWByCN3/57-FA0433-AA3-F-4-EC6-B961-DAFBE0-CA5-EB6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vP3HDW0)
(https://i.ibb.co/pLhBZv8/B9033695-19-EE-4215-A148-08-DFA9-B6-B7-D2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tJLTcMt)
(https://i.ibb.co/QvM6GWd/5515-C9-AE-3135-462-A-9-AA9-8768649-E4-D84.jpg) (https://ibb.co/23djBzN)
(https://i.ibb.co/gvB6yXW/86174-F08-F5-F4-443-F-8-DF0-4-FB9287-C9-F6-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHP3VhC)
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Thanks Jerry, racked my brain trying to figure them out. Simple once you show the hinge and how it works
Thanks
Dennis
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Thanks Jerry. Very neat.
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Chargers are new to me. Yours are very nice!!!!!
Robby
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Not to steal anyone's thunder but Mike Lea usually has a few available.
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Not to steal anyone's thunder but Mike Lea usually has a few available.
Does Mike have these double-ended, spring lid types of chargers?
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Does anyone know how these are made (i.e. the body with a taper in both directions) ?? Would love to make a few but would want to know how they were originally done before i waste a lot of time trying to figure it out for myself... :o
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Does anyone know how these are made (i.e. the body with a taper in both directions) ?? Would love to make a few but would want to know how they were originally done before i waste a lot of time trying to figure it out for myself... :o
Come on Dave, it's only like doing Algebra without and equation :) Although I have the same question but am used to working in the dark or with trial and error.
Tim
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V nice (And fiddly to make!) shot charger Jerry.
Blokes, these were made for shot only, to charge a double barrel. A few could be carried in a pocket with a different size shot to that in your shot flask.
Here's one or two of my old originals;
(https://i.ibb.co/8zMr5cG/DSCN2507.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s5jKwHc)
(https://i.ibb.co/QKZZvF3/DSCN2519.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FD994bL)
(https://i.ibb.co/1ZnKC2R/DSCN2536.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y2W85jf)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8099Wk/DSCN2538.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7N5MMPf)
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I've been intrigued by these for some time and have been collecting images with the hope of make some. These chargers all seem to be of English origin. Here are some of the various types I've found.
(https://i.ibb.co/0KKSdYZ/ac0169b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9hhLCy2)
(https://i.ibb.co/MDT4M6S/ac0296c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C5dZh28)
(https://i.ibb.co/2nYB5cF/ac0393a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M25L9Pg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2gg2Z1K/ac0723-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jggKJP4)
(https://i.ibb.co/n3TYyF1/ac0531a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJqYyf9)
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Rich,
Can't say for sure but Mike usually has some available.
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Now THAT makes perfect sense, Richard. Thanks.
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Dennis, thanks for those pictures. Any photos of the hinges would be great.
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Dang I like them. Be nice to have for upland bird hunting
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Dang I like them. Be nice to have for upland bird hunting
I'm think'n horn Ed.
Tim
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I love my shot/powder chargers but I would really like to see Tim replicate this thing. I have always wanted to make one of these.
(https://i.ibb.co/RPM5JY2/20201002-082739.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bLyfGQ1)
(https://i.ibb.co/GpbRr86/20201002-082657.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mTM4P2j)
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James, challenge Tim with that project. He can knock one out in a day I expect. 🙂
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I'll bet that they are anything but simple to make. Particularly those with an internal spring! Still, would love to know how it was done.
J.B.
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That is pretty neat...Would you settle for a horn body, wood bottom, horn bands, horn/antler measures ;D
Tim
PS: Wonder how big it is? TC
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Rich,
I have not seen images that clearly show the construction of the hinge and have never had one of these in hand. Here are some additional images that may help you infer what the internal configurations might look like. I like the brass chargers best, especially the ovate ones and if I try to make some that would be the focus.
Some general observations that may or may not be correct: I think many or most of the ones that I have posted pics of are constructed of sheet material that is wrapped around a core that consists of the two-cavity partition as well as the anchor for the springs. All have a cam over that keeps the lid open and closed.
On this one you can see a pin in the mid-section of the charger that holds the internals in place.
(https://i.ibb.co/Gx3d6yK/ac0296.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X2kWQ1h)
This is the only pic I have of an end view and it doesn't reveal much. It does, however, reveal a very nice detail of not having to perforate the body to pin the lid.
(https://i.ibb.co/9b1sc9W/ac0421d.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hB4DLRV)
You can see the full length seam on this one.
(https://i.ibb.co/q1zG26F/ac0407c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h8k5T01)
The demand for these seems to be quite high as they are listed for only a short time when they are for sale at prices from 50-100 British pounds. I've pretty much decided to pay what ever is needed if one of the brass chargers comes up just to have a sample in hand.
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Dang I like them. Be nice to have for upland bird hunting
I'm think'n horn Ed.
Tim
your reading my mind
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Those brass ones are nice, I would also like to make some but would probably take too much time. It looks like the channel runs all the way through to keep the spring clear of stuff inside and support the seam. Would have to go through the centre divider.
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You have it figured right, JH.
If I get time, I'll take photos of the inside best I can
Thought I had photos. no can find.
Best,
R.
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I've been looking at these things for a couple days, I think they, the ones in the OP were made with two cone shaped pieces. I did not have dimension so I started with four inches and made a body. Made a paper pattern that fit one side, taped it up and cut it off at the center line on the lathe, black pattern. Cut two pieces our of chosen metal and shape on the pattern. Make a center plug like the blacken area on the pattern and Braze/solder all three pieces together. Making caps and pinning them should not be much of a problem if you can make the body. I would probably pin the spring at the center divider, I would think work hardened brass would work.
Am I missing something, I may take a shot at one of horn and Brass but I've got a lot to do and Christmas presents to get started on for the four Girls.
Tim
PS: I think there is a way to cut a single piece, make a couple of slits in it, shape it and solder them shut but other than just being able to do it I don't think it is worth the time. TC
PSS: A piece of Copper pipe would probably work nicely. TC
(https://i.ibb.co/GxLyfF8/IMG-0067-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nxzcNT)
(https://i.ibb.co/jRgmTJ9/IMG-0068-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3zB27R5)
(https://i.ibb.co/Rpc02GT/IMG-0069-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lz1tSDd)
(https://i.ibb.co/4gRR2Nk/IMG-0070-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KzxxDyn)