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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: jim alford on January 16, 2021, 02:19:44 AM

Title: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: jim alford on January 16, 2021, 02:19:44 AM
There has been some chatter of late on this and other sites about flint half stock HAWKEN as well as other half stock flint plains rifles. This rifle was inspired by photos of a rifle in Jim Gordon's collection. Whoever built the original was obviously inspired by the 1803 HARPERES FERRY rifle, adding a few ideas of his own. My rifle is not a bench copy , as my skill set does not allow for such, rather I tried to capture the basic theme of the piece.
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Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Daryl on January 16, 2021, 03:33:00 AM
Good job of it, Jim. Your gun making talent sure exceeds mine.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Curtis on January 16, 2021, 04:38:16 AM
Fantastic rifle!  I love it.

Curtis
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: alacran on January 16, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
Nice looking rifle, way more credible than a half stock flint Hawken.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: gwill on January 16, 2021, 03:23:32 PM
That's a super build.  Congrats on the great work.  Can you tell us more about the barrel you used?
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Daniel Coats on January 16, 2021, 05:57:43 PM
Looks very well made nice work!

Jim Gordon is one heck of a nice guy. He let me handle the Modena Hawken long enough that it actually got warm in my hands.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: jim alford on January 16, 2021, 06:13:32 PM
gwill, The barrel was made by Jim Carpenter in Idaho. It is 34" long, tapered 1 1/16" to 1". Jim makes good custom barrels with great turn around time. PM me for contact info.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: smylee grouch on January 16, 2021, 06:49:21 PM
I have two Carpenter barrels and they are indeed great shooters. I also know of several bench rest barrels with false puzzles that shoot and win at National matches that he has made. Supper craftsman that has flown under the radar so to speak.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on January 16, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
Jim:  this is a very nicely made rifle.  There are no blemishes in the finish and the fit of hardware is excellent, except for one thing...I would like to see the trigger guard inlet more fully in the extensions, particularly the rear one.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Notchy Bob on January 16, 2021, 10:41:36 PM
Jim did a terrific job on that rifle.  It's a real beauty.

Many years ago, Green River Forge (not Green River Rifle Works) produced a rifle they called "the Astorian," which was very similar to this rifle in most respects.  The Astorian used double set triggers, a Haddaway lock (similar to a Siler) and omitted the patchbox, but was otherwise a lot like this rifle.  The design of the Astorian was said to have been based on an original in a museum somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, but nobody seemed to know exactly which museum, and nobody, to my knowledge, produced any pictures of the original.  Maybe they were referring to the rifle in Mr. Gordon's collection all along.

In any event, the rifle Mr. Alford is showing us here is a real beauty, and a refreshing departure from the trending insistence on recreating nonexistent half-stocked flintlock Hawkens.

Thanks for sharing!

Notchy Bob
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: flatsguide on January 17, 2021, 09:03:45 PM
Jim, that is a very nice looking rifle.
Richard
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: duca on January 18, 2021, 01:35:14 AM
VERY Nice!

Anthony
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Capt Steve on January 18, 2021, 05:14:54 AM
Thatís beautiful. Great job.
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Bob Roller on January 18, 2021, 04:35:11 PM
A fine looking piece for sure.Part military and part sporter that is well blended.
Bob Roller
Title: Re: HALF STOCK FLINT PLAINS RIFLE
Post by: Percy on January 18, 2021, 05:27:46 PM
Very nice looking rifle. I would say your skill level is very high.
Percy