AmericanLongRifles Forums
General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: Yazel.xring on March 28, 2021, 11:02:39 PM
-
After a night of thunderstorms in Friendship, Indiana, students arrived ready to learn at the second Kibler Kit assembly class with Mike Brooks and Wayne Estes. Workstations are spread apart in the NMLRA Education Center, giving students enough room to spread out their tools through the week. Many of the 7 students have come with their rifles still in the box, but a couple have already assembled their kits, looking to focus on learning to carve traditional motifs into their longrifle stocks.
(https://i.ibb.co/gw4SsyQ/DSC-8192.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFVkSn7)
(https://i.ibb.co/wzzJ8zv/DSC-8202.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FDDscDP)
(https://i.ibb.co/h1tc68Y/DSC-8203.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gFBd2g4)
The Southern Mountain Rifle was a favorite during last year's class, but the Kibler Colonial makes up the majority of this week’s class at 5.
With a coffee pot going, students begin inletting and fitting the parts of their Kibler Kits. Barrels and buttplates go on first, providing some stability and protection to the stocks.
Mike and Wayne have brought a few pieces from their personal collections for students to take inspiration from. There is no better reference than a fine rifle in person to guide the decisions of these new builders.
(https://i.ibb.co/FHZtKLB/DSC-8289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SfYpP4K)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn429Xd/DSC-8290.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KmxdYD8)
(https://i.ibb.co/2j82Fcv/DSC-8298.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SKQT6Vt)
By noon on the first day, students have their locks and their trigger assemblies inlet. After a break for lunch students returned to their benches. Both Mike and Wayne have remarked how far ahead this class is over the last one. By the end of today, students will have spent nearly ¼ of the day on wood and hardware cleanup.
(https://i.ibb.co/mNx1bbq/DSC-8268.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9ZMzccT)
(https://i.ibb.co/0XCGQjc/DSC-8281.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H2tHXDV)
(https://i.ibb.co/D9CrXZH/DSC-8308.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5r8KDPg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VT9pSj0/DSC-8337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yqPByfm)
If we are able to keep at this pace, the students will have two days to add carving and other details to their Kibler Kits.
-
Some very impressive work going on there! Looks like a great event!
-
Hopefully there will be video of this class like last time.
-
Hopefully there will be video of this class like last time.
Yep! We won't be duplicating the videos from the last class, but will featuring some of the new things Mike and Wayne will be teaching.
-
Looks like they've got it going on.
Bob
-
Students arrived early this morning eager to continue work on their Kibler kits. With their hardware fitted to the stock yesterday, students are spending this morning learning about filing, sanding, and polishing techniques for their hardware. The Southern Mountain Rifle kits are finishing their hardware a bit faster than the Colonial Kits. The students with Colonial Kits are wanting to make a longrifle with some more details, including facets on the trigger guard, ramrod pipes, and buttplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/dPzxbJN/DSC-8376.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7vMykn)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZNvdvhT/DSC-8388.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LvBSBCp)
(https://i.ibb.co/H42xSxc/DSC-8391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1QndgdC)
Mike and Wayne are great teachers for the traditional techniques of filing and sanding, but have brought some modern tools to assist these new builders. Drill powered scotch brite wheels make for quick polishing of the iron or brass hardware.
After noon on Monday, students began diverging from each other. Some continue polishing their metal while others begin learning about decoration through chip carving and moulding lines. By four o clock the class wrapped up, tomorrow students will continue carving or begin the staining process on their stocks. We're starting to see these muzzle-loaders taking shape as students begin carving and staining their stocks.
(https://i.ibb.co/31s7DLT/DSC-8437.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4Wf765F)
(https://i.ibb.co/VVbJPTh/DSC-8451.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8MGNS9R)
(https://i.ibb.co/Tv5jncW/DSC-8466.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SspY1Nf)
It's been fun seeing Wayne introduce students to torch bluing as a finishing technique for their hardware. One SMR Kit student has used it for all of his hardware, making for a great looking rifle when assembled with his curly walnut stock. I like watching these classes because I can see all the options being weighed and implemented.
(https://i.ibb.co/cvJn2MX/DSC-8468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wLymp3r)
(https://i.ibb.co/9NbpNVK/DSC-8497.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7XnSXRM)
-
Like a spring flower blooming after a long winter, student rifles are coming together this afternoon. Those with staining complete will continue to apply oil into tomorrow.
(https://i.ibb.co/nRS2wQG/DSC-8617.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BwRDfTp)
(https://i.ibb.co/xLHPr7S/DSC-8610.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxJjt4h)
Carving is being finalized before and parts are being reassembled, we can finally see the hard work of these students paying off in the shape of the American Longrifle.
(https://i.ibb.co/LdmDYKp/DSC-8651.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F42kmp7)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y7PKWsk/DSC-8644.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JRmbdJ7)
(https://i.ibb.co/HCnNYdD/DSC-8654.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pQJWZyv)
(https://i.ibb.co/J7jY5zM/DSC-8629.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fpd34CP)
(https://i.ibb.co/xzQkY3K/DSC-8621.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VM81x30)
(https://i.ibb.co/qNk0SbD/DSC-8590.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0ChB7Pn)
-
Wayne's countdown clock is ticking down this morning as everyone works towards completing their Kibler Kits.
(https://i.ibb.co/Cb7xy3b/DSC-8658.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QPNsV3P)
(https://i.ibb.co/BCJbnf4/DSC-8661.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRFhr1G)
(https://i.ibb.co/6rSzLz1/DSC-8670.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ntq5b5m)
(https://i.ibb.co/YdTL1gM/DSC-8672.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zg1MF9P)
6/7 will have a completed kit from this week. 1 student, who took last year's class, took his time in class to study carving, inletting and some engraving and will be completing his kit at home.
-
Wow! Looks great. Thanks for showing what is going on.
JIm
-
Looks like a fun class!
Curtis
-
With some light snow outside, our "Spring" Kibler Kit Class with Mike Brooks wrapped up today! Students applied their last coats of oil and assembled their parts before loading up their tools and heading home after a wonderful week.
(https://i.ibb.co/3vgFR53/DSC-8702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xYxgFKk)
(https://i.ibb.co/84dv7b1/DSC-8713.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LhJjZrV)
(https://i.ibb.co/hs0Xg98/DSC-8726.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H7ZNK4g)
(https://i.ibb.co/NNdcfmy/DSC-8751.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n1Nx4nL)
(https://i.ibb.co/pQVrmJs/DSC-8760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxnpK2h)
(https://i.ibb.co/K5h0zBJ/DSC-8770.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b6mWRYk)
(https://i.ibb.co/xHmFxZB/DSC-8780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GTsHzm8)
(https://i.ibb.co/MptChWr/DSC-8787.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2Gsd0V)
(https://i.ibb.co/JzZXPhP/DSC-8799.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RC8LW5W)
(https://i.ibb.co/JRVSjTv/DSC-8798.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ns9KMy7)
(https://i.ibb.co/BnPS04N/DSC-8797.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g47BkvV)
(https://i.ibb.co/3sBBqhW/DSC-8796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CthhZ0v)
(https://i.ibb.co/PZj9L3s/DSC-8795.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y7QyCY4)
(https://i.ibb.co/hFMkyz5/DSC-8794.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b53xP9h)
-
Looks like all had a good time.
-
Looks like all had a good time.
Probably because the F-ship tavern was open.... ;D
-
All the guns look good,so they must have learned something. :)
-
I've really enjoyed this and thanks for posting it.
In the picture of the 3 stocks leaning against the building, the 2 outside ones have a nice dark finish. How was that dark color achieved?
-
I've really enjoyed this and thanks for posting it.
In the picture of the 3 stocks leaning against the building, the 2 outside ones have a nice dark finish. How was that dark color achieved?
A base coat of Trans Tint Honey Amber mixed 1 part to 3 parts water, Kibler Iron Nitrate applied allowing to dry then blushed, 1 coat of LMF Lancaster Maple applied then wiped off!
That’s it.
-
Thank you very much for the info.
-
Some good looking guns, there - well done boys.
-
Hey folks, I've got several of the videos edited from this class and they are going live weekly on the NMLRA Youtube Channel. The Hair and Makeup team worked overtime on this round!
https://youtu.be/RP8f50fQfog (https://youtu.be/RP8f50fQfog)
https://youtu.be/sgeug83JRLk (https://youtu.be/sgeug83JRLk)
More of these videos from this and the last class are available in this playlist (http://this playlist)
I hope you enjoy them as much as I did filming Mike and Wayne. Thank you both for the opportunity!
-
Nicely done videos - I really do like the looks of that fire-blue finish.
-
I really like the fire blued finish as well. I have used a propane torch on on screws and a few small parts but never on large parts like lock plates, trigger guards, and butt plates. I think I might try this technique on a rifle I am working on right now. Thanks for sharing the information.
Rob
-
It is so nice to see these good looking rifles take shape under the mentorship of Mike and Wayne.
-
Wholesome nifty-ness. ;)
-
These classes are an absolute blast! We get a lot of work done and have some fun in the process. I’m humbled to be a part of it all.
-
https://youtu.be/vwVRfwo_vTY (https://youtu.be/vwVRfwo_vTY)
In this video, we follow along as Wayne Estes shows a student how to carve an incised line stock moulding along with some traditional chip carving techniques.
-
Great videos Ethan. Thanks Mike and Wayne for teaching these classes.
Fleener
-
Thanks to all involved with providing these videos .... primarily of course Mike, Wayne and Ethan.
I do have a question regarding the fire blue finishing. Can this same technique be used on a barrel? If possible are there any negative reasons for trying it other than the longer (potentially much longer) time it would take.
Since it was stated that the oil immersion is not needed for the process to work and the barrel would not have to be dunked.
Currently working on the finish of a Kibler colonial rifle and am now considering using the technique for the steel parts. Interested to know if the barrel can be included. May not use it on the rifle but possibly a future pistol build?
MarkK
-
We actually torch blued the barrel on that gun in the class. Just make sure that you don’t go past that deep violet color. We left the barrel to air cool (it took a while). No need to quench in oil. It only took 25-30 minutes to torch blue the barrel. My only comment on torch bluing is that it is not as durable as other barrel finishes.
-
Wayne,
Thank you for answering question, sharing additional information and removing that sick feeling that I was possibly asking a stupid question. :o
MarkK
-
Ok, I just watched the video and ole 2ayne makes it look pretty easy with that checkering tool of his. I've tried different things such as v parting tool and it's a little easier to mess up. So Wayne, where'd you get that there checkering tool? And dont tell us you made it🤣
-
That checkering tool is called a "jointer". Brownell's has their own line, but personally I like the one made by Gunline.
I used mine for years - it insures that your starting lines are nice and straight, as well as the border, if needed. On longrifles, it makes a nice straight grove along the fore end or along the bottom of the stock parallel to that bottom line. Eezy-peezy.
Unfortunately for you, Brownell's is currently out of stock on both their own AND Gunline's. Their are other suppliers out there. Somewhere. Once in a great while, MidwayUSA has some checkering tools available,
I currently have an order in at Gunline for some scrapers. They took the order and the money, when I checked Monday, they said they would "check on the order". There are only two people there, you'd think he know if he made some scrapers or not. Only credit cards, BTW - no PayPal.
-
Thanks for that info Craig. I'll check it out. I have a checkering tool but it has more of a diamond shape bevel to the edges than the tool that Wayne was using.
-
Ok, I just watched the video and ole 2ayne makes it look pretty easy with that checkering tool of his. I've tried different things such as v parting tool and it's a little easier to mess up. So Wayne, where'd you get that there checkering tool? And dont tell us you made it🤣
I can’t remember for sure. It’s been around here for a long time. Maybe Mountain State Muzzleloading or Log Cabin shop. It’s just a simple one line cutter.
-
Ok. Thanks! I'll be on the hunt for one. Enjoyed your video.
-
(https://i.ibb.co/LY1NxN2/Kibler-parts.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVkX3XK)
I ended up using the fire blue method for the small parts but ended up used a blueing solution for the barrel. Both methods came out a dark blue/black.
Plan to use fire blue method for a barrel in the future if for no reason but to see if I can do it.
Thanks again Wayne.
-
I didn’t mention this before and I’m not sure that it was mentioned in the video but I do not apply heat to the frizzen. I cold blue it so as not to interfere with the temper.
-
Really good videos & very well explained during the various processes. ;D