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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: lexington1 on May 11, 2021, 06:31:06 PM

Title: Makers mark
Post by: lexington1 on May 11, 2021, 06:31:06 PM

Can anyone identify this mark? It's on an early German rifle.
(https://i.ibb.co/LhTncKW/20210511-091833.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CsjhYLZ)

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: mr. no gold on May 11, 2021, 10:59:39 PM

Curious how the rampant lion is placed in front of the chased molding, much like the similar motif that appears on the Monmouth rifle. Does it mean anything? Probably not, but it may be a trait common to a regional school or other tradition. I have seen many barrel marks, but remain mostly uninformed about them. Euro marks are easier to identify than the early American stampings found on early locally made barrels if they have any marks at all.
Dick

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: rich pierce on May 12, 2021, 12:04:58 AM

First hope/guess was the Moravian lion but not close.

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: backsplash75 on May 12, 2021, 12:15:07 AM

taking a wild swing here, but Rampant lions with arrows are sometimes associated with the Dutch provinces, I haven't encountered that marking before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic_Lion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic_Lion)

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: lexington1 on May 12, 2021, 03:09:58 AM

It's on a 17th C. German wheellock rifle. I'm just trying to pin down the maker. The Rochester rifle made me think about the mark on it (no connection) and how the Germans reused stuff. I have a Jaeger rifle with a 1674 dated barrel and the Jaeger probably goes later 18th c.
(https://i.ibb.co/chTtPG8/000727-01-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5ztmLy)

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: Daryl on May 12, 2021, 07:34:52 PM

Interesting swamp on that barrel.

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: Daniel Coats on May 12, 2021, 07:51:59 PM

Ok couldn't resist happens to be my favorite!  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/HdP8YHG/image.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: Hungry Horse on May 12, 2021, 11:51:24 PM

Dan, I would say your offering is nearly as close to being an American longrifle. At least it’s American.

 Hungry Horse

Title: Re: Makers mark
Post by: lexington1 on May 13, 2021, 02:10:56 AM

Really? I guess I've been misguided all these years into thinking most of our early rifle makers were from Germany  :o  The reason I put this on is 1: I would like to I.D. the maker. 2. A lot of these barrels and parts were reused in the restocking of American rifles. Tell me the Rochester rifle doesn't have an earlier German barrel. I think if we want to learn about early American longrifles maybe a bit of time should be spent studying the German connection.