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General discussion => Antique Accoutrements => Topic started by: rich pierce on January 21, 2022, 08:15:08 PM

Title: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on January 21, 2022, 08:15:08 PM
I picked this up recently. I’m guessing late percussion period but simple bags like this have probably been around a long while.
(https://i.ibb.co/LhtshCH/45-F83-B1-E-A8-AD-478-C-A277-B055032-EFB82.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hpz9pr3)

(https://i.ibb.co/hmb1Hvq/149731-C6-DF82-4382-BF05-2-E895-DCC3-C46.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRhgknq)

(https://i.ibb.co/rc2QW8B/E95373-A3-9-BF5-4-AA7-ADC7-42-FF65-A822-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z7Vmk93)
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: MeliusCreekTrapper on January 21, 2022, 08:19:15 PM
Very neat bag. Are the front and back panels also laced together (like the flap)?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on January 21, 2022, 08:27:45 PM
The front and back of the bag itself is sewn.  The flap looks original but it would have been easier to use one piece or same construction.
(https://i.ibb.co/0X7JZKd/99-D24499-9269-4652-85-B6-BC9291-ED11-F3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H2SgYCk)
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: MeliusCreekTrapper on January 21, 2022, 08:30:47 PM
Thank you, Rich. I couldn't tell if it was laced and turned or stitched and turned.
Possibly their available leather piece did not have the size for a one piece back/flap?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on January 21, 2022, 08:38:02 PM
Thank you, Rich. I couldn't tell if it was laced and turned or stitched and turned.
Possibly their available leather piece did not have the size for a one piece back/flap?
That’s my guess, too
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: Brokennock on January 22, 2022, 05:00:17 AM
The cut through the front of the flap is interesting. Do the three cuts in the front of the bag that roughly line up with it go all the way through the leather?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on January 22, 2022, 05:17:58 AM
The cut through the front of the flap is interesting. Do the three cuts in the front of the bag that roughly line up with it go all the way through the leather?
Yes, they do. What are you thinking about a fastener?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: Brokennock on January 22, 2022, 05:37:12 PM
The cut through the front of the flap is interesting. Do the three cuts in the front of the bag that roughly line up with it go all the way through the leather?
Yes, they do. What are you thinking about a fastener?
Well, at 1st I was.
That cut in the flap looks really big for a button, and isn't stretched or otherwise expanded at either end. And the other 3 cuts don't really seem to line up for anything.

What are your thoughts?

Also wondering if it wasn't made of leather that had been reclaimed from some other leather item.
In the 1st picture that shows the inside of the flap, toward the upper right it looks like there is a line of stitching holes that have had the thread removed.
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: Karl Kunkel on January 23, 2022, 04:34:51 AM
Could the flap be a repurposed replacement?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on January 23, 2022, 04:46:51 AM
I’m thinking a sort of home-made bag, possibly from recycled leather, late percussion period. Small and simple; suitable for a small caliber rifle used about the local area.
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: Wmasswolf on December 04, 2022, 07:09:06 PM
the thre holes are how you attach a rolled leather button. the hole in the lid would be bigger to allow to button to toggle through. (similar to this one)




The cut through the front of the flap is interesting. Do the three cuts in the front of the bag that roughly line up with it go all the way through the leather?
Yes, they do. What are you thinking about a fastener?
Well, at 1st I was.
That cut in the flap looks really big for a button, and isn't stretched or otherwise expanded at either end. And the other 3 cuts don't really seem to line up for anything.

What are your thoughts?

Also wondering if it wasn't made of leather that had been reclaimed from some other leather item.
In the 1st picture that shows the inside of the flap, toward the upper right it looks like there is a line of stitching holes that have had the thread removed.
(https://i.ibb.co/X2qbt4c/20221202-113254.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C1fzQtR)

(https://i.ibb.co/vXxt10x/20220402-161356.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z26Zdq6)
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: okieboy on December 13, 2022, 10:39:41 PM
 Are you going to oil or treat the leather to slow down its deterioration? I wonder what museums do to stabilize leather objects.
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: scottmc on December 14, 2022, 05:02:01 PM
The leather also appears to be rather thick.  Is it or just the appearance from the photos?
Title: Re: Simple 3 piece bag
Post by: rich pierce on December 14, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
The leather also appears to be rather thick.  Is it or just the appearance from the photos?

It’s not overly thick. I’m not sure what to do for recovery or preservation on old leather. Suggestions, please!