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Title: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Ault on January 29, 2022, 08:46:48 PM
Gentlemen , since Im starting a few Fowler/smoothbore guns I guess I should consider their loading needs . Ive only been a rifleman  and carry the patch and ball in my bag, powder in a horn . So what do you all carry your shot in for the smooth bores ? And what exactly is it called so I can search for one ? It dont need to be totally HC Id rather have function over  form .
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Mike from OK on January 29, 2022, 08:57:43 PM
Until I find something better, I am using a small to medium flat horn. It rides in my pouch.

Mike
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Lucky R A on January 29, 2022, 09:29:42 PM
     Traditionally shot was carried in a "shot snake" a leather cylindrical container  with an adjustable charger on the end.  This was carried over the shoulder in much the same fashion as a possibles bag.
      When I hunt pheasants etc. at  a farm I carry plastic speed loaders (available from RMC sports) they carry your charge of shot on one end and the powder charge on the other.  I put over shot wads in one pocket and cushion wads in another.  This set up gets me back into action rapidly, w/o a lot of stuff to carry.
Ron
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Crosby on January 29, 2022, 10:43:42 PM
 If you can find one the book "Getting the lead out" Karl Z. Smith will give you an idea of whr was used.

   Tim C.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Kevin on January 29, 2022, 11:12:13 PM
Here are a few examples in both cloth and leather.

Enjoy,
Kevin


(https://i.ibb.co/4fD61mg/SONY-DSC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dc3dmWJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/VVfZWtZ/SONY-DSC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cJ4Hc1H)


Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Ault on January 30, 2022, 12:00:34 AM
Thank you . So they usually just had a wooden plug ? Would a push button valve work also ?
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Nessmuck on January 30, 2022, 01:02:25 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/FbkKxFd/12-FF0-E2-E-74-A4-4426-A29-A-666-A0-D5-A5487.png) (https://ibb.co/6Rcmnkq)

This shot snake ..holds about 7-8 ounces and has a very nice plug / stopper that clicks infor a very tight fit. Can use it for balls too.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on January 30, 2022, 02:16:22 AM
I use a replica leather covered Dixon Flask for shot.  it has the typical English adjustable shot measure for a spout.
I locked (with solder) it at 1 1/8oz. as that is what I use in my 20 bore flinter.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: davec2 on January 30, 2022, 02:55:32 AM
From time to time, when out hunting, I don't really want to carry a load of gear.  Rather than a horn and pouch, I carry a bullet board and four or five of these brass chargers for powder.  I made these to hold up to 120 grains of 3F powder, but have made several others to hold larger and smaller powder charges. I also use one to carry five or six unpatched round balls or a charge of shot.  They work great slipped in a pocket for a quick afternoon walk about when I don't intend to do a lot of shooting.  (They also work well to keep small items organized inside a pouch.  I have another one that has a long wooden spool I made for thread and a few heavy needles.)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mZM4Ex/Chargers_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hSRFMc)

(https://preview.ibb.co/nCAaMc/Chargers_4.jpg) (http://ibb.co/i5FmSH)

(https://preview.ibb.co/fH2Bux/Chargers_3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hqdjEx)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on January 30, 2022, 04:30:55 AM
I use a shot snake sometimes.  Or just a ball bag with shot in it.

Nesmuck, those are not shot snakes.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: BJH on January 30, 2022, 04:42:29 AM
Typically I carry paper cartridges of powder, and shot. Plus appropriate wads for the amount of shooting I anticipated.  The total weight of stuff is a lot less this way. BJH
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on January 30, 2022, 05:39:44 AM
Here is one shot snake, a commercial one from track.

(https://i.ibb.co/WxB51PS/shot-snake-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h729vZp)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Brokennock on January 30, 2022, 06:54:14 AM
I usually use pre made paper shot cups/cartridges as I really don't like messing with loose shot in the field.
I have in the past carried a small leather bag with several lengths of cane/bamboo containing premeasured shot loads in them, closed off with corks. These were carries in a small leather bag hanging from my shot pouch.

(https://i.ibb.co/Zxd66HX/20200403-135659.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PgxZZTj)

(https://i.ibb.co/d6LKMky/20200403-135614.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MpGNSPL)
 I seem to recall these tubes were cut to hold up to 1 1/4 ounce of #5 shot.

(https://i.ibb.co/YN9y1vn/20190213-213839.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6yh1T69)

(https://i.ibb.co/dkZH3GL/20190213-213939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/44k0DPY)

(https://i.ibb.co/M78tFNh/20190213-214042.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dDbV8Kc)

(https://i.ibb.co/5TswsnK/20190213-222605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CBVDVMP)
I usually load these flat folded side down then tear off the twisted end when even with the muzzle, a thin card on top of that holds it in place.
(https://i.ibb.co/r5CW0C9/20190213-204223.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6D3dw3Q)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on January 30, 2022, 08:32:52 AM
Those shot ctgs. should tighten up the patterns from a cylinder bored gun, or from a choked one, for that matter.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Ault on January 30, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
Thanks all for the great ideas, Im getting way ahead of myself but I was already challenged to a round of sporting clays against a bud that shoots a modern 410 bore once I mentioned Id be shooting a flintlock , so I gotta get after how I can carry enough shot . Im liking the pre made paper tubes .
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Mike from OK on January 30, 2022, 04:18:39 PM
Here is one shot snake, a commercial one from track.

(https://i.ibb.co/WxB51PS/shot-snake-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h729vZp)

The only problem with those is that Track hasn't had them in stock for a while now... I think I looked at getting one to go with my smoothbore after I got it... That's gotta be around 2 years ago now.

The only thing they have in stock is a shot flask with the choice of either an English or Irish head.

I would be interested to know what the holdup is... Because they were unobtainable before the pandemic mess.

(Wasn't my aim to pick on you Daryl... Just tired of seeing the words "out of stock" everywhere)

Mike
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Nessmuck on January 30, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
I use a shot snake sometimes.  Or just a ball bag with shot in it.

Nesmuck, those are not shot snakes.

Fill me in.What is it ?
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on January 30, 2022, 11:15:47 PM
NP Mike. I posted it to show what a commercial shot snake looked like, is all. Whether they are available right now, or for years gone by, is/was immaterial.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: alacran on January 31, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
If you are going to shoot a round of Sporting Clays, of say 50 targets, you are going to need a shot snake. I did buy one from track about 20 years ago.
It can carry 3 lbs. of shot. So, if you are shooting one ounce loads you are going to need to refill it before your round is over.
When I take it hunting, I only carry it half full.
I don't know what you guys are hunting with your smooth bores, but you don't appear to be optimistic. That is unless you are turkey hunting.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: James Rogers on January 31, 2022, 05:44:54 PM
Snake belt as mentioned for heavy shooting at the clays range. For field shooting i prefer these shot/powder chargers carried in a pocket.


(https://i.ibb.co/pyWSV7f/20220131-092829.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L5Q3jFx)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Brokennock on January 31, 2022, 05:46:47 PM
Daily bag limit for squirrels here is 8, my tin of cartridges holds, 8. Plus I have one already in the gun, and usually one more with the needed wadding in the little hanging pocket in my shot pouch for if I need a quick reload. This is more than enough usually, especially as I really don't feel like cleaning and prepping 8 squirrels at a time, lol.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Hungry Horse on January 31, 2022, 09:36:34 PM
 Keep in mind that horn, or tin, or even formed rawhide, sounds like a skeleton falling down a flight of stairs in a garbage can. A good shot snake that is welted, glued, and saddle stitched, (they bust their seams otherwise )is the way to hunt. A good Irish style valve makes it the ideal shot carrier. If you want to get fancy add another snake to the same strap for powder.

Hungry Horse
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 01, 2022, 12:04:16 AM
Taylor has a really nice shot snake. Perhaps he could post a picture. The leather is quite thick, seems to me.
The one Track pictured, looks very thin and quite supple.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: bob in the woods on February 01, 2022, 02:24:42 AM
Daryl, I had that shot  snake [ TOF ] and it didn't hold up long. The adjustable measure tore out after one season and the leather was too worn to do much about it. The one I have now was made for me and the leather must be 1/8th thick !
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 01, 2022, 02:40:33 AM
I wondered about the flimsy look of the Track snake. Tks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on February 01, 2022, 04:00:05 AM
Ill post a pic of my shot snake tomorrow.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: alacran on February 01, 2022, 04:52:38 PM
like I said before I've had mine for 20 years. But then I seldom carry it more than half full. I have filled it up and it looks like it could burst if you dropped it on a hard surface. I think they were $65.00 when I bought mine.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Nessmuck on February 01, 2022, 05:00:18 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/PtQD4Py/0-D0-D3-B80-F74-F-4-FAB-8-B8-D-844-D473128-A3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yVS45ZC)

Call it a day ..shot snake How many  Partdridge can one take in a day.  If your shooting clays your out of luck
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Pukka Bundook on February 01, 2022, 07:21:09 PM
My rigs.


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(https://i.ibb.co/m4LmZ0H/DSCN2502.jpg) (https://ibb.co/njHTdBD)

(https://i.ibb.co/XknTc5D/DSCN2508.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CsjFR96)

The English charger is faster to use than the Irish top, but sometimes a detachable top helps with the old long barreled guns.
I like the shot belt better than the shot pouch, as it stays in place better to my idea.

The shot belt is homemade with an old top.

Richard.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: davec2 on February 01, 2022, 08:34:59 PM
James,

Are those chargers newly made ?  If so, may I ask who made them ???  I have been trying to figure out how to make some like the ones in your photo for quite some time.  Not an easy fabrication job.

Thanks
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: James Rogers on February 01, 2022, 08:51:23 PM
James,

Are those chargers newly made ?  If so, may I ask who made them ???  I have been trying to figure out how to make some like the ones in your photo for quite some time.  Not an easy fabrication job.

Thanks

Dave, these are modern made. I think they were made in India. I bought these from Jon Laubach.
They have heavier walls than originals but they work quite well.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on February 02, 2022, 01:53:08 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/0YtSfr1/20220201-174957.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ssHGFqc)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 02, 2022, 03:53:52 AM
Thar's a snake!!
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: WKevinD on February 02, 2022, 06:49:22 AM
Pocket horn with Irish shot head.
Kevin
(https://i.ibb.co/nftZRK4/IMG-20200314-163104083.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QntzXxh)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 02, 2022, 11:13:11 PM
That's very nice, Kevin. The trouble I see with the Irish spout, is that it takes 2 hands, one to hold the container vertically, the other to remove the spout.
If you are also holding the gun in one hand, you will be short one hand required for the job, at hand. ;)
Thus, some method, like a strapped harness for carrying the container in a vertical manner is needed, I feel, or at least would be beneficial.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Ault on February 04, 2022, 02:53:28 AM
So am I correct that the Irish shot spout is a valve and an adjustable measure all in one ?
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 04, 2022, 04:34:34 AM
This is the Irish spout.
As you  remove the scoop, the valve shuts off the shot flow.
The scoop is adjustable.

(https://i.ibb.co/nftZRK4/IMG-20200314-163104083.jpg)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Tim Crosby on February 04, 2022, 04:39:03 PM
 I think the Irish heads, top are a pain to use, a two hand operation. The English much simpler one hand operation.

   Tim C.

 
(https://i.ibb.co/1mvyc5b/IMG-0474-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2knVJQ5)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZYGpw9Q/IMG-0476-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQV6r9N)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Pukka Bundook on February 04, 2022, 05:38:34 PM
Daryl,
The earlier Irish tops do not have a shut off. when you withdraw the measure, the hole is wide open, thats why it took some practice to not chuck your shot all over the ground.
these later ones with a shut off are a lot handier, but never canbe as handy as ann"English" top,....apart from being detachable, which Can help with a long barreled gun at times.  (uless you learn to trail the gun behind your foot, to bring the barrel within easier reach!)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 05, 2022, 12:40:58 AM
I agree the levered measure is easier with one hand, but these more modern Irish ones, if the snake or flask holding them, is in a harness at the side, they are one-handers
for me. Maybe large hand size helps.
The Dixon with the rotating measure in drams or ounces is easily worked with one hand as well, finger over the top, invert and push the lever with thumb - release lever and pour
either shot or powder into the bore. I use a replica Dixon flask as my shot flask.  I solder locked the measure, which is set at 3 drams and throws 1 1/8oz. shot.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: tddeangelo on February 06, 2022, 03:13:30 AM
Just purchased at the Lewisburg show yesterday

 
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Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on February 06, 2022, 03:59:01 AM
Jim Dell makes nice shot snakes.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Hungry Horse on February 07, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
 Those English valves are notorious for bridging and giving you a partial load. Besides Im part Irish.

 Hungry Horse
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Pukka Bundook on February 08, 2022, 05:09:10 PM
I wonder why these new shot belts/snakes are so narrow?
It looks like shot would hang up in them if it had been in the snake for long.

H-Horse,
Yes, it is possible to bridge with certain sizes of shot, but never had trouble with a shot belt I can think of. More on a shot flask carried in a pocket.

I'm sure we can forgive you for being part Irish!     ;)
I think I am as well......
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 08, 2022, 10:31:47 PM
Well, Taylor and I are both, with a little Romanian & Roma thrown in, so I guess, quarter each. LOL
I find bridging in my flask when using even 7 1/2 shot at times. I usually now, put my index finger of the spout and swing the gate with my thumb. Release the gate, still holding
my finger over the spout, give the flask a shake, tipping the flask up, then swing the gate again, while pointing the flask down. This usually results in a perfect "fill".
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: jbigley on February 09, 2022, 02:14:22 AM
Why not just make your own shot snake? The heads are available now from Dixie, your choice, English or Irish. They also have the commercial "Snake" like the one pictures from TOTW for about  $185. (Save about $110 by making your own?
FWIW.
--JB
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 09, 2022, 02:46:55 AM
I've had an Irish Head sitting on a small table, for about 20 years. Maybe one day I'll make a snake using it.
I hate stitching leather, or anything for that matter, but not as much as I hate stitching up my hide. I switched
 to CA for that job, but learned right quick(the first time) not to use the kicker. That stuff stings a lot more than a mite.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: smokinbuck on February 17, 2022, 11:01:06 PM
I have several of the containers that Njames Roger's showed, originals I picked up somewhere.  Like them alot, secure and compact. Usually done 't need many shots.
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Mike from OK on February 18, 2022, 12:10:40 AM
Just got a batch of axis deer antler in. Might have to fire up the lathe and get out the leather and linen thread and see what I can cobble together.

Mike
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Daryl on February 21, 2022, 08:39:39 PM
This is the shot flask I use at rendezvous:

(https://i.ibb.co/vH4JkqR/Dixon-Flask-Replica.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzKnQ8D)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: Bob Hatfield on February 21, 2022, 10:12:25 PM
Below is a CVA shot flask from the early 90's.  it has served me well even though it says CVA on it.  You might find something like it on Ebay.  Or make your own...............Bob
(https://i.ibb.co/6gy4JFg/Shot-Flask.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D517gQ5)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: bigsmoke on March 26, 2022, 08:32:04 AM
I wondered about the flimsy look of the Track snake. Tks for the heads-up.

Pure supposition here, but the current cost of the Irish and English style shot heads might be the problem with acquisition of them for the snakes and the leather flasks.
Like most all things from Track, they do not personally make much.  That shot snake is manufactured by October Country in North Idaho.  Actually, back in the day, I designed that product, guessing somewhere in the middle to late 1980's.  IIRC, although it does not have a gusset between the leather sides, there is a double row of stitching.  While I owned October Country up until 2005, I don't recall ever having a complaint regarding the seams coming loose.  We did use a rather thin piece of leather for the body of the snake, primarily so the leather would fit between the valve base and the bushing supplied with the valve.  It took some precision sewing to get the leather the right size.  I believe one of the ladies that worked there sewing is still employed there.  She was terrific.
John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: What to carry shot in
Post by: wattlebuster on March 26, 2022, 08:40:10 PM
Eric Van Alstine made this shot snake for me. I believe the spout was made by Sparks Mumma. Excuse me if I have the spelling wrong and excuse the photography.

(https://i.ibb.co/zQZ42Zn/Resized-20220326-122244-6892.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mb4cy4D)
(https://i.ibb.co/4VbSRgZ/Resized-20220326-122252-9963.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZMQgz16)