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General discussion => Antique Accoutrements => Topic started by: Flintandsmoke on July 18, 2022, 08:07:50 AM

Title: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 18, 2022, 08:07:50 AM
Hey folks, I recently found this beautiful horn up in the North East. I know its a double lobed horn. I also know it’s from somewhere between 1750 and 1770. Can anyone help me fill in the gaps?


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Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: rich pierce on July 18, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
Looks pretty tight - I don’t see any gaps.  ::)

I think you’re right on timeframe and location - New England is about as close as you’ll get. Terrific early horn.
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 18, 2022, 11:06:07 PM
Looks pretty tight - I don’t see any gaps.  ::)

I think you’re right on timeframe and location - New England is about as close as you’ll get. Terrific early horn.

Thank you Rich, i saw it and couldn’t turn it down
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: rich pierce on July 19, 2022, 01:50:08 AM
Looks pretty tight - I don’t see any gaps.  ::)

I think you’re right on timeframe and location - New England is about as close as you’ll get. Terrific early horn.

Thank you Rich, i saw it and couldn’t turn it down
Right place, right time! Lucky I didn’t see it first!  These “common man” early horns are right in my wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 19, 2022, 02:49:59 AM
Looks pretty tight - I don’t see any gaps.  ::)

I think you’re right on timeframe and location - New England is about as close as you’ll get. Terrific early horn.

Thank you Rich, i saw it and couldn’t turn it down
Right place, right time! Lucky I didn’t see it first!  These “common man” early horns are right in my wheelhouse.

I’m actually getting this one reproduced by Henry Bowman for use in my New Hampshire frontier persona circa 1750/60
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: mr. no gold on July 19, 2022, 03:14:13 AM
The heraldic device, or an American Indian glyph is what appeals to me on this horn. I do not recognize the symbol, but lean toward Indian: the figure resembles 'men' figures on some wampum belts. It is a great piece and is certainly a treasure. You could have the carry hole lobes restored and put it back somewhat. Actually they look like they may have been broken off somewhat later in the history/use period. Thank you for sharing your good fortune with us here on the ALR.
Dick 
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Tim Crosby on July 19, 2022, 09:03:17 AM
 Nice horn, is there any carving on it?

   Tim C.
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Tanselman on July 19, 2022, 07:58:00 PM
Dick,

Where is the heraldic device or Indian glyph located on this horn? I may be blind, but I can't find it.

Shelby Gallien
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: mr. no gold on July 19, 2022, 09:01:42 PM
Shelby, it is carved into the wood butt plug. On second glance now, it may be the initials 'E D' which have been bisected by the long line down the middle. However, the middle cross stroke on the 'E' does not seen to have the terminal arm that the outer strokes have. The long 'center line' may just be an accidental addition. Would like to have it in hand and take a good close look. For now it is just speculation. Neat horn and appears to be quite old.
Dick
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 19, 2022, 10:36:39 PM
Nice horn, is there any carving on it?

   Tim C.

Tim, no sir, plain as the day she was made
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 19, 2022, 10:42:09 PM
Shelby, it is carved into the wood butt plug. On second glance now, it may be the initials 'E D' which have been bisected by the long line down the middle. However, the middle cross stroke on the 'E' does not seen to have the terminal arm that the outer strokes have. The long 'center line' may just be an accidental addition. Would like to have it in hand and take a good close look. For now it is just speculation. Neat horn and appears to be quite old.
Dick

I’m going with either CD or ED
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: mr. no gold on July 19, 2022, 11:46:57 PM
'C D' makes sense, too. Maybe that is it. The long line running through the initials obscures it, and was it inscribed on purpose or was it done on accident during the use period? Need to see it in hand to actually know.
Dick
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Tanselman on July 20, 2022, 04:53:03 AM
There is very little patina in the "E D" initials cuts and heavy cut running through them. With the dark patina on much of the rest of the butt plug's face, I'd guess the initials are a later addition.

Shelby Gallien
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 24, 2022, 05:33:48 AM
There is very little patina in the "E D" initials cuts and heavy cut running through them. With the dark patina on much of the rest of the butt plug's face, I'd guess the initials are a later addition.

Shelby Gallien

I’d say probably, but I’ll let the masters at the CLA check it out
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Bob Gerard on July 28, 2022, 02:09:54 AM
It’s Ed’s horn you got there 😉
Title: Re: Double lobed horn
Post by: Flintandsmoke on July 28, 2022, 08:52:51 AM
It’s Ed’s horn you got there 😉

Lol