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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Dphariss on January 01, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
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This from www.targetz.com page 9 target 10128. With the additional lines shown. These were drawn with a fine point Sharpie felt pen. Pencil will work as well.
Could be shot from ANY position, 25 yards. Strongly recommend a rest position.
Maximum 5 shots per target. Shoot as many targets as you like, submit the one you like best.
A line drawn from points to points creates 5 spaces. One round in each for 5 points each..
1/2 ball in to score. Cutting any internal border counts as an X for tie breaking. LINES must be CUT not just touched, except the solid diamond. Here the leaded edge on the black counts as an X.
A shot that cuts all three border lines at one of the 8 corners scores 8 points plus 1x.
Daryl came up with the idea and I edited the rules a little. Good luck. As Dec winner I am out.
Backing the target with a piece of cardboard should give cleaner holes in the target.
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Sounds like a GREAT target idea. ( ;))
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Congratulations on your fine target for December Dan,,,fame, honour and glory heaped high upon you!! Thanks for taking the initiative, as you are indeed December's winner. I've come down with a bad cold, and am a little slow on the uptake. I sure hope to get to the range this month, though January and February are traditionally our coldest nastiest months. Good luck to everyone who participates.
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I don't have a scope on my flintah...lol
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LOL- none of us have scopes, but with the wonderful accuracy we keep hearing with smoothbores, I figure 25 yards should be easy for them.
You could always put a rear sight on it and make it even more accurate. Heavens!!! ;)
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Congratulations on your fine target for December Dan,,,fame, honour and glory heaped high upon you!! Thanks for taking the initiative, as you are indeed December's winner. I've come down with a bad cold, and am a little slow on the uptake. I sure hope to get to the range this month, though January and February are traditionally our coldest nastiest months. Good luck to everyone who participates.
Thanks I really thought I blew the shot on the little one but…
I hope you get over the cold quickly
I was shooting the Kibler at 420 yards (385 Silhouette Turkey berm) bench rest today.
Trying the recreate the shot that Col Hanger detailed from his time in the US.
Had a heck of a time getting the right elevation since I could see no bullet strikes not on the berm and if there was any dust the smoke hung out front most of the time. But it was almost totally calm so it was possibe to try. I finally gave the right guess and got three in where it would have pretty much done what Hanger said it did, killed the bugle man’s horse. He was behind Hanger and Tarleton ball passed between the two officers. The one to the right is about shoulder high between the tow rocks and the left ones were lower and screened by grass on the pig berm I was set up at the far left of the berm. The Slihouette range is on a slope and the turkey line is barely higher than the pig berm where I had the target. I did not see the two to the left until I drove up to collect the target. The one to the right is high enough that other two low. But tis ball park for what Hanger described. However, with about 18 ft of total drop and the aim point in the sky abover a tree behind the hill that forms the Ram berm…. It makes holding elevation tough. Rifle is sighted 2” high at 100 yards with 100 gr of FFF Swiss. Did three shots at 100 yesterday went. 15/16” H x 1 7/16” W. Guessing 1900 but need to check it. My doppler radar chrono would not read it the other day. Need to set up the other one someday. It was fun. Made up some Beeswax and Neastfoot oill patch grease and it seems to shoot cleaner and thus load a little easier.than just neatsfoot oil. Cotton canvas patch with a .530 ball. Seems to allow shooting indefinitely with 2-3 good breaths through the barrel. Neatsfoot or tallow makes a hard spot about 1” above the spot the ball sets.
Now I need to cut a bunch more patches and lube them.
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Great target!
I've uploaded a modified version with the additional lines here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CoVVa1XefY_xqo4rB4zlD3FRzR19YXLs/view?usp=sharing
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Thanks Jakob! Just printed three targets. Don't want to get too ambitious. Woke up to three inches of snow today. Hopefully it won't be too windy this weekend.
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Question Dan. If cutting 3 lines, scores 8 1X, would this target score 37 5X and if the centre shot also cut 3 lines, would the score then be 40 5X?
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I did not consider the drawn in lines to continue into the black this would create too many divisions, so it would score 37 with 5.
No wonder the NMLRA, NRA and CMP rule book are so big ;D
Dan
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You have a PM, Dan.
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Gee Daryl don't worry about that possibility until you accomplish it.
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LOL - sounds like a challenge? The scoring rules need to be known for all possibilities, don't they?
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speaking of possibilities, it IS possible to only break TWO of the lines with one ball, and not a third. Sooo, 6 points for that one? 7? 12? ;D
Only sort of kidding about the scoring. Not that I'll be the one doing it :)
Now I really wish I had that .62 I've been thinking about. Bigger balls would definitely be an advantage here :o
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Bigger balls are generally an advantage. 8)
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Taylor and I got out. Nice and dang warm today as it hit +3 (37.4F). No gloves, not ear covering - NICE. Fun shooting.
Used the 14 bore rifle.
.682" pure lead ball, .021" denim(10 ounce) - LHValley lube
113gr. 2F Scheutzen
same load all targets.
Top left target, shot all aiming for the middle and thought the odd stray might get me points. I think the right hand upper quadrant crosses 3 lines, which would make the total 18 5X
for the 3 scoring hits.
I do think the bottom target is a good 31 10X. Actually that top left quadrant cuts across 3 lines, so might be an 8 as well, for a 34 11X (after looking the target over the non-shot one)
All fired off a table, 25 yards lasered - single rest under the entry pipe. No rear bag.
I think I didn't score correctly as I counted all lines cut. Dan's picture shows 3 lines cut as being 8 1X so I assume 2 lines cut is 5 1X.
Thus, across the top mine appear: 18 3X : 15 1X : 20 1 or 2X: bottom row: 10 2X and 34 4X. Of course that one might be 28 3X. LOL
No matter though, Dan will score than as he sees fit.
Edited to update target score(ing):
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We had +3C today so Daryl and I headed for the range. I personally found the target very challenging. I could see the border lines a bit at 25 yards until I put the sights on them...then they disappeared. It took me four targets to figure out that I needed to aim at the edge of the centre diamond to get into the white quadrants around the black diamond. Otherwise, I'd miss by a half ball outside the bit diamond. It was fun to finally get out and do some shooting, as I missed all of December.
I hope the rules allow a second effort, or maybe a third? Otherwise, this will be my last entry for January...
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Rifle: Chambers' Virginia in .50 cal., .490" pure lead ball, 10 oz. (.021") denim patch lubed with Lehigh Valley, and 86 grains of GOEX 2Fg. Shot from a table with a rest.
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I did get to the range today and finally met up with one of the other locals, who's been shooting black powder for decades.
Between chatting and plinking, I never got around to the monthly target, but I did get to try is Tulle out and shot my first smoothbore target.
It went well....for the target.
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(Beyond having to learn a completely different sight picture it was extremely pleasant to shoot and I've added it to my list of guns to build).
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They all go through that little hole at the top, Jakob? What calibre is that Tulle? ;) ;D
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Erhh, yeah...that was it...all through that hole. It's a very large target, you see. (It was a .62cal)
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That target looked my first attempt at shooting my Tulle. Guarantee ..your shooting low. Don’t file the front sight either. You have to point it ...and see the top of the barrel. It doesn’t make sense now...but it will...
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Got out again today, but the long range shooters were also there, making target turnovers sloooow, so only shot 3 targets and this was the best of them:
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Fun target. Would love to try it again, but I'm away next weekend and then the temps return to normal (near -20C).
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You did very well Jakob. Looks like a 20 3X to me. Glad someone else got out to shoot it.
Too bad you only got in 3 targets. We made 5 and my best was my 4th.
That makes 3 competing of us out of ????
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It was fun! On the first one I was chasing the corners and missed outside too much, then shot a 'safety' target, (the one posted). 3rd one, I got one corner, 1 center, 2 whites and then when looking through the scope, thought I'd shot 5 shots, but it turned out to be only 4.
I need to get back to my old habit of laying the balls out in advance.
Also got hold of some caps, so I can use my capper and keep my gloves on at all times and I'm now in a far better place to deal with colder weather.
I might just try and take a loooong lunch break later in the week and go to the range again. (Luckily my boss is a total smokeless gun nut and will understand and maybe even join me).
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We have been getting a series of storms and the wind has been horrid. Hope to get out yet.
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Only shot one target before Marc and I called it a morning. Hopefully we will get a chance to get out again this month. Shot from a rest. .40 Rice 7/8 inch diameter straight barrel x 42", 55 grains of FFFG Goex, .015 canvas, Hoppes BP cleaner/lube.
J.B.
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Darn good first target, J.B. Looks like a 26 2X to me. Lets hope you can get out again.
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We've had freezing rain, with snow expected tomorrow, so I thought I'd better get out there to the back 40 while it was calm.
25 yards , from a rest [ tree] 10 bore N.E. fowling gun
100 gr FFg, .735 ball, .018 patch, WWF lube from a spray bottle
I usually shoot paper cartridges , so was a bit surprised that the 1st shot was low
Adjusted for it and the next 4 were on target. I'm not sure what the score is....the holes are too big ;D I took two photos ,since I wasn't sure how they'd turn out.
Next time I'll use my .54
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Very nice smoothbore shooting Bob!
Maybe if you got a bigger gun, you could cut all the lines with one shot!
Seriously good shooting if I may repeat myself!
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Ditto - good recovery after that first shot, too. 8)
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Maybe if you got a bigger gun, you could cut all the lines with one shot!
I was thinking of maybe bringing a 6 pounder for this one.
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Maybe if you got a bigger gun, you could cut all the lines with one shot!
I was thinking of maybe bringing a 6 pounder for this one.
I do have a 4 bore swivel gun ;D
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8) 8)
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Sunshine! 3Celcius and no wind!. I seem to have misplaced my 6 pounder, so it was the .54 great plains again.
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Fun and at the same time frustrating target. Really good challenge.
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Frustrating indeed. Glad you got out again Jacob. What range do you shoot at?
I've shot at the Coast Meridian & Barnet, both on the Barnet Highway, as well as out at the Coquitlam R&G club and Thompson Mountain ranges.
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I used to be at the Port Coquitlam (Burke Mountain), but moved to Fort McMurray last year.
A little frustrating to go from a regular group of 10-12 blackpowder shooters, to 1.5, but this group (and the monthly shoots) helps a lot.
I have colleagues who shoot a lot, but it's all modern stuff. Still fun, but just totally different from what I prefer.
I will however, probably pick up trap shooting in the spring.
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I shot at the Port Coquitlam club in 1978 for the world Police and Fire Games, living in PG then. I am very
fortunate to have a fairly active black powder section here locally, and also my bro Taylor to shoot with.
Keep the faith in BP! BTW- really freaks out the trap shooters if you have some black powder loads, just now and then. :o ;D
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I shot at the Port Coquitlam club in 1978 for the world Police and Fire Games, living in PG then. I am very
fortunate to have a fairly active black powder section here locally, and also my bro Taylor to shoot with.
Keep the faith in BP! BTW- really freaks out the trap shooters if you have some black powder loads, just now and then. :o ;D
Doesn't take much to freak out the trap shooters.
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LOL - you're right about that, alacran. Most often, misses are the gun's fault.
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Shooting trap doesn't mean you have to put away the black powder. My grandson and I shoot trap with an original English prrcussion double by Powell of London. 20 gauge with 38" barrels.
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Sure, if you have 2 guns and a batman reloading for you. Otherwise the other shooters might get a tad bored waiting for you to reload.
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Shot standing with X-Sticks.
.54 cal Fullstock Hawken Flintlock
.530 RB
90 gr Goex 2f
.018 patch cut at the muzzle/Ballistol&water lube
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I bet if I ever get to think up another target it won’t be this one. ;D I over complicated it. Some really good shooting here though.
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I used to be at the Port Coquitlam (Burke Mountain), but moved to Fort McMurray last year.
A little frustrating to go from a regular group of 10-12 blackpowder shooters, to 1.5, but this group (and the monthly shoots) helps a lot.
I have colleagues who shoot a lot, but it's all modern stuff. Still fun, but just totally different from what I prefer.
I will however, probably pick up trap shooting in the spring.
I shoot competition with a flintlocks, vintage and modern brass suppository military rifles I do pretty decent with them all. My ML shoot is 100 miles or more one way. Some of the others 1700+.
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One more off the X-Sticks after some adjustment of some new sights I’m working with.
.54 cal Fullstock Hawken Flintlock
.530 RB
90 gr 2F Swiss
.015 patch/Ballistol&water lube
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Not bad PK, however my guess is that only one of the centre hits scores due to the 1/2 ball rule, thus there is no hit on the lower right quadrant.
A much improved target, though. The group on your previous target is great for 4 of them - this one much more precise.
AGAIN! Still time. We're about done here, getting too cold again. The top left quadrant might be an 8 1X & if you score the right hand centre hit as the center hit, it is a 5 1X,
the bottom left quadrant is a 5 1X thus I would score that one as a 23 3X. Nice!!
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Sounds good. Thanks
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At this time it appears that Taylor has it by 1 X over Daryl. Unless I missed a target someplace. There has been nice shooting this month. Couple of days left. I put in the 8 pt corner and "X" things to make it a little more interesting and risky as well.
Was -18f here this AM. (I think that Merriweather Lewis would write "50 degrees of frost" in his journal. The last 2 days our Sheriff's deputies, state troopers, ambulance, fire and other first responders have been run ragged. Too many incidents and not enough people. Iced over I-90. Snow, blowing snow and people who will not slow down for emergency vehicles or even yield so they could safely work. Been some irritated voices on our scanner. Its been a mad house. Today is calmer since the sun is out, but just had a jack knifed 18 wheeler 3 miles from the exit a mile from my house.
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Getting this under the wire. First time all month that it hasn't been blowing raining or snowing.
It was quite muddy. Thankfully I didn't get stuck.
this is the conditions I was shooting in
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This was my target. Two holes in the black. Tried for all quarters, but my last shot went into the diamond like my first shot.
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I shot a target first to make sight adjustments, since I hadn't shot this rifle off cross sticks since I built it.
It is .45 cal. Douglas XX barrel. Was going to shoot one more target but it looked like it was getting ready to snow again. It would have been a very wet snow or rain. The road was bad enough as it was. So I left.
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It was another winter day in Montana.
I didn't recall the directions so I figured I couldn't go wrong with Holding Center.
5 shots, seated in the snow over cross sticks.
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After review, once the photos all came back…
I realized with some “help” that I had miss scored Taylors target. I hate that.
Anyway I declare Daryl winner.
I will say this.
If we back these printer paper targets with cardboard it will clean up the bullet holes and reduce tearing somewhat, I hope.
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Thanks Dan. It was close - about 2/10" close, it appeared to me, for a tie.
Tough target.