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Title: Need advice for new project
Post by: Paul from KY on June 06, 2023, 10:47:34 PM
I plan on building a SMR using a new 32 caliber barrel I picked up recently. The octagon barrel is 42 inches long and measures 3/4 of an inch across the flats. I intend to buy a stock that has the barrel channel and ramrod hole already done.  I've done some looking and the smallest barrel channels seem to be 13/16ths.  Does anyone know where I can get a full-length SMR stock with a 3/4-inch barrel channel?  I assume that the ramrod hole should be 5/16ths for a 32 caliber rifle.

I have a Ketland lock from TotW that I intend to use in this build.  It this lock correct for a SMR?   
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: smylee grouch on June 06, 2023, 10:50:42 PM
Try calling Dave at Knob Mountain.
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: J. Talbert on June 07, 2023, 12:43:12 AM
A Late Ketland lock would be appropriate.
Jeff
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: Gaeckle on June 07, 2023, 02:42:51 AM
That is a small barrel and because of the diminutive size I think the late Kentland lock would not give you the results you desire. I think a better choice would be a Manton type lock, as it is smaller in width. Because of the size of the barrel everything else is on the small side. When I use a barrel of this size I work from a blank, as it's much easier. It sounds like you are looking at using a pre-carve stock
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: tfornicola on June 07, 2023, 02:53:03 PM
Give Mark Weader a call, 717-543-5370. He may be able to help you out. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: rsells on June 08, 2023, 08:04:13 AM
Paul,
I have used Mark Weader to do barrel groves in the past, and he does good work. I have attached a photo of a 3/4 inch across the flats .29 cal. 44inch barrel that I made using a late Ketland lock, Davis #4 triggers, and hand forged hardware.  The parts made a good looking rifle that shot well.  Good luck with your project.
 
(https://i.ibb.co/WB7xcyc/29-cal-and-original-bag.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sscmFwF)
                                           Roger Sells

Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: Dennis Glazener on June 08, 2023, 12:58:27 PM
Paul,
I have used Mark Weader to do barrel groves in the past, and he does good work. I have attached a photo of a 3/4 inch across the flats .29 cal. 44inch barrel that I made using a late Ketland lock, Davis #4 triggers, and hand forged hardware.  The parts made a good looking rifle that shot well.  Good luck with your project.
 
(https://i.ibb.co/WB7xcyc/29-cal-and-original-bag.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sscmFwF)
                                           Roger Sells

I used Mark Weader for almost all of my stock work for over 20 years. His work has always been great I highly recommend him. He also has several SMR patterns if you want him to duplicate one for you. He may have a stock blank on hand if you need one.
Dennis
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: Paul from KY on June 09, 2023, 11:00:16 PM
Thanks to everyone for the advice.   I test fit the Ketland lock to the barrel and it looks somewhat out of proportion (too large for the barrel flat).  However, Roger's gun shows that it can be done.
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: rsells on June 13, 2023, 07:55:22 AM
Paul,
The photo's attached are of the first rifle I built from a board many years ago.  It has hand forged hardware and a 3/4 across the flats 32 cal H&H 42 inch barrel.  I used the small L&R flint and Davis #4 triggers.  I did not get the mortis areas around the lock shaped as it should have been,  but I was happy with the rifle at the time.  I am planning on building another rifle similar to this one for myself using a 32 cal Rice barrel with a similar lock that Bob Roller made for me using the small L&R flint plate, cock, and frizzen.  Hopefully, I will do a better job profiling the lock mortis this time.  This little walnut rifle shot great and it was a bit easier to build than the .29.
(https://i.ibb.co/r4JFMys/first-tn-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgtmJ7V)

(https://i.ibb.co/vYgkFL2/first-tn-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NSQKvWw)


Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: Clowdis on June 13, 2023, 04:05:36 PM
I'll give another vote for Mark Weader. Excellent work!
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: Paul from KY on June 13, 2023, 04:54:59 PM
TotW has a John Bailes small lock that is described as a small Manton, baby Durs Egg, or small English flint lock.  Would this lock be a better fit than the Ketland lock?
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: J. Talbert on June 13, 2023, 07:01:03 PM
The Chambers late Ketland would be my choice. I don’t think it is too big for that barrel. Here’s a picture of a slender rifle with a swamp barrel that is just barely over 3/4 of an inch at the breech.  I could have even thinned the lock moldings some more, but still doesn’t look big at all to me.

(https://i.ibb.co/HdRr951/IMG-0290.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BNvgY0d)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MjF7jH/IMG-0291.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzDxSD5)
Jeff
Title: Re: Need advice for new project
Post by: rsells on June 13, 2023, 08:14:17 PM
I agree with J. Talbert.  My go to factory lock for TN rifles is the late Ketland.  It is a very reliable, fast, and the profile of the plate makes a good looking rifle.
                                                                            Roger Sells