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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Harnic on August 30, 2008, 05:26:05 AM
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I could only stay a couple days due to work obligations but had a heck of a good time! ALR was well represented at the Heffley Creek Rondy again this year with Taylor, Daryl, Leatherbelly, Crispy, Neil Hunter, me (Harnic), & possibly a few more I didn't run into. My son Ben & I took a pile of picture, when I get more time I'll post lots. Here's one of the primitive camp:
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and a link to several more on Photobucket: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Harnic/Heffley08/?albumview=slideshow
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Harry,
Looks like you had a good time. Beautiful location.
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It was a LOT of fun Dave & south central BC is very beautiful. The dead trees are the result of the Pine beetle infestation that is destroying most of British Columbia's forests. Soon our landscape will look very similar to southern California... :( I am going to get a period correct tent & stay in the primitive site next year, for a LOT longer, hopefully all 10 days. That ¾ km hike back to my camp at 11:30 pm after the party at Taylor's lodge was a b*tch! ;) The Heffley Creek club is an amazing facility, lots of trails, a 500 meter silhouette range & lots of camping in the trees. I'll get more pictures up next week.
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glad to hear all had a good time,is there no way to stop the pine beetle infestation.
we must see more pics of this event....so bring them on fellas..
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Apparently the beetle infestation could have been stopped back in the early 1990s but because they were discovered in a park our idiot leaders decided to let nature take it's course. By the time they realized how serious the threat was, it was too late. The wicked little boogers have covered most of British Columbia & have crossed the Rockies into Alberta. It's only a matter of time before they make it to Washington state now.
Taylor, Daryl, & the others will be heading home today. Hopefully they will have pictures too. I have lots more & will finish sorting & post them this week. ;)
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Taylor and I are back as well. We had a great time which was made quite special with the arrival of Dave and Gail Rase from Wash. They weren't camped far from us so visiting was easy for all. Dave and Gail are good shots, sure glad they had women's categories separate from the men's. Once Dave gets her frizzen freshed - she's be even better. They are very nice people, a pleasure to know and shoot with. Next year, Tracy will be there and will enjoy they company as much as I did. Yes - they're coming back, hopefully for the full 10 days. It will be Hefley Rendezvou's 20th Anniversary. The more the merrier. Hope it's warmer next year for the more Southern visitors - it usually is.
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The weather was certainly different this year; hot the first couple of days then cool for the rest of the time. Seemed like fall started 1 or 2 weeks early this year. I actually preferred the cooler weather. Also most afternoons were quite windy and towards the end of the week, it blew 30 - 40 mph for a while.
the photos I am posting are from some of the events; roundball silhouette, a "sasquatch trail", and a squirrel trail. Also a couple of my wife cooking Saturday night supper.
In spite of increased fuel costs, attendance was up with 140 camps total and of these roughly 50 were in primitive, up from 40 primitive camps and 130 total last year.
As with the others I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
cheers Doug
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Thanks for the pix Doug, it was nice to see you again!
Daryl, I'm so sick of that walk from the far end of tin tipiland I plan to buy a bell back wedge tent & stay nearer you guys next year in primitive! That walk back to the far end of civilization at 11 pm is a drag! Hopefully Ben & I can stay most if not all the 10 days too. It was great to visit with all the PG crowd again!
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After going to the Heffley Creek rondy for 4 years, I finally get around to shooting! ;)
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Fun shooting with you, Harry.
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Here are a couple more images from Heffley Creek.
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Taylor
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Daryl
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Gail (my wife)
What a great rondezvous. My wife and I both agreed that this was the best event we can remember attending. Usually at rondezvous my wife and I will get bored due to a lack of activities which is why I usually only attend for the day to participate in the shoot and then leave. So before leaving for Heffley we both brought along some items to keep us occupied when things get slow. We never even had time to think about breaking out any of these items. In fact we both laughed once we got home and started unpacking when we spotted the books and sewing items we brought along with us. The days just flew by. Get up, eat breakfast, shoot, clean guns, eat lunch. shoot again, clean guns again, eat supper, attend the evening festivities, visit other camps and go to bed.
Taylor, Daryl, I want to thank you for being such great hosts. Leatherbelly, it was nice meeting you as well. You guys have a wonderful get together and have a great bunch of friends. Everyone of them made Gail and I feel welcome. We are already talking about and looking forward to attending the Heffley Creek 20th anniversary next year.
Ezra, if you are reading this DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT put off going to Heffley another year. You won't be disappointed.
DMR
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All of us agree that the ten days flew past too quickly, and that we are already making plans for next year's event...Rendezvous' 20th Anniversary!!
David, I'm delighted that you and Gail had such a good time. As far as shooting is concerned, I cannot remember a time when I shot worse...but perhaps next year will give me a new measure...HA! Gunmakers at this rendezvous are few and far between, so to have you there and to be able to pour over your wonderful work was a special treat for me, and Daryl. Too, it took the sting out of missing Dixons. As far as activities at the Rendezvous, one can be as busy and involved as one wants - to the point of overload. I personally took a morning and an afternoon off here and there just to slow down and smell the roses along the way. If one is a competitive shooter, it's easy to get your fill here.
...sure had a good time. Thanks for all the pictures guys.
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Thanks David, for posting the pictures. I had no idea anyone was taking pictures while we were shooting - guess I was watching the squirrels when Taylor and Gail were shooting. It certainly shows off the strong and weak points of one's shooting form. I see my elbow is climbing as my shoulder heals or just gets stronger, whatever it's doing. As to time flying by, it seemed like only a long weekend to me. Of course, having David and Gail there was the big 'start' for me. I sure enjoyed seeing David's rifles. Gail is a peach! - Lovely person all round and posses much grace. I see she's got good bicepts for such a trim gal. It's great to hear they had a good time - I was concerned that perhaps there ws too much noise in the evenings. It's pretty much a big family at Hefley with a lot of catching up on the past year's lives happening.
We're sure looking forward to next year, all ready, have already spoken with Tracy about next year being a must-attend event. No more month long trips to Costa Rica - gotta save those vacation days for Helfey. One thing I know I have to do, is to bring more Sambuca.
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Thanks Daryl, I really enjoyed shooting with you guys too! I've already started working out so I can hold that danged heavy rifle of mine steadier next year!
David, I'm sorry I missed you folks, it would have been a delight to meet you.
Taylor, this year's shoot has inspired me to get a tent & make the furniture needed to stay in the primitive area with you folks next year... I hate that late night hike to the far end of the camper city!
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In spite of increased fuel costs, attendance was up with 140 camps total and of these roughly 50 were in primitive, up from 40 primitive camps and 130 total last year.
As with the others I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
cheers Doug
Happy to hear attendance was up. Did you do anything different this year, than you did last, to encourage more to attend?
I'm totally on board with Roger Fisher about prize value. I'm convinced he's right, but I think it takes even more than that with today's cost troubles. Especially with families. It seems that you can always draw a core group no matter what, but to really reach out, something extra within the rondy itself has to be in place.
Sure wish Heffley wasn't so far away.
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Jim - people don't come to Hefley for the prizes, although they are usually wonderful, but sometimes lacking as with any club. Many of the people don't even shoot, just camp and visit with friends they've come to know and love. The prizes are made by the guys in the respective club which is putting on the event. Every day, different clubs in attendance put on their contests, somedays 3 different events are going on, all sponsered by different clubs. The Hefley Creek gun club's BP section only puts on one shoot during the week that I know of. Hefley Creek Rondy is a 10 day event, same general time to include the Labour Day weekend, the 1st of September at it's close.
The last day's morning event, the blanket prize shoot probably gives the best prizes which are donated by those who are doing the shooting. The have a $15.00 and up limit, but articles of value probably to $75.00 or even more show up on the blanket every year.
The moose antler draw, an event held to raise money for the kid's programs has wonderful prizes as a rule. These are donated by people at Helfey as well as unclaimed lost and found articles of value and some purchased items.
As to some prizes, I value the hand made arrow I won in the archery event this year and last, made by Taylor. Hand made points, turkey or goose feathers, stripped by him and tied on with moose sinue along with the points. These aren't cheap prizes by any means and would cost $50.00 each on the market - maybe more. However, none of those would say Hefley Creek Rendezvous '08 3rd on the shaft. I'm crowing here, did I mention I got 3 out of 4 bow birds? rrrrrutaroooooooo
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To all the Heffley attendees;
Boy, what a wonderfull scenery to behold ;). It looks just too beautiful to be real :)!
Everyone looks like their are having a great time - maybe someday - thanks for sharing the pictures 8) 8).
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Happy to hear attendance was up. Did you do anything different this year, than you did last, to encourage more to attend?
I'm totally on board with Roger Fisher about prize value. I'm convinced he's right, but I think it takes even more than that with today's cost troubles. Especially with families. It seems that you can always draw a core group no matter what, but to really reach out, something extra within the rondy itself has to be in place.
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I think what we have done differently is that there is now a web page for the rondezvous (do a search for Heffley Creek Rendezvous) and the second is posting photos of the events here and on other similar sites.
I can't remember what Roger said about prizes but in a sense I don't feel they are particularly important. Remember that out of 120 or more shooters for a particular event, only 10 will win a prize and usually those winners are from a small group of 5 or 6 people in a category (men, women, juniors). The big reason for most people attending is a mixture of social and of challenging one's own abilities in a beautiful and safe environment. It is also very much a family event with (at a guess) around 50 kids there this year.
cheers Doug
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The Heffley rondy is structured different than ours is. I like the concept.
With prizes provided with club funds along with a few donated prizes, I think the value could be placed in the neighborhood of $1500. Skip Hamaker is very generous and donates several powder horns for example.
Club members do not compete in the shooting events. The rondy prizes are for the guests. I think we had about 75 shooters register. During the hayday, about 200. As shooter numbers drop, the ability to supply prizes dwindles. We need to stucture something different to turn it around. When I hear that someones numbers increased, I'm all ears.
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Forgot to note, that H.Creek charges $25 per camp for the 10 day event. Individual matches are $5.00 for all non-juniors and $1.00 for them(I think).
: In the evening after supper Camp Fire is held at 7PM, the shooters all gather at the big awning (wikiup) bring their chairs and beverages and sit listening to the events of the day unfold, shenanigans, like almost impromtu skits along with who did what - ie: dry-ball or shoot their ramrod downrange (either demand a $1.00 fine and have to wear the 'bib' for the next day or more - fines go towards the kids events and gear - cronic complaints that day will earn "the lip" - arguments (in fun, of course) between the top shooters in smoothbore, prizes handed out or the events of the day, along with the respective club members explaining their contests, rules and shoot times for the next day. All in fun and a great way to end the festivities of the day - no wait - the festivities have just begun, with friends joining around camp fires here and there, telling lies, some truths, eating snacks and perhaps passing a bottle of Sambuca, Almond Butter liqueur or Shnapps, Jack Daniels(Yuk!), sometimes Appleton's Estate Jamaca rum. One by one, they leave and head for bed to do it all again the next day. Time flies when you're having fun. 10 days seems like only like a long weekend.
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A minor correction on an earlier statement; Heffley ends with Labour Day which is the first monday of September rather than September 1. That means that the date varies from year to year. This year was an early one because Labour Day was Sept 1.
I think if we relied on expensive prizes to attract people, we would not be terribly successful, particularly in terms of the numbers of competitors. Basically unless you are in the top 10% or better of shooters, what would be the point in competing. obviously most people are average shooters and stand little chance of ever winning a prize. If my memory is correct, 19 years ago, we had 80 - 90 camps total and that has gone up by 5 or 10 per year, most years, to the present 140 camps.
The $25 camping fee goes towards hauling in water, toilet paper, fliers and other expense of maintaining the camp.
Having said that I did win one of Taylor's arrows several years ago, in a hawk and knife event and I still value it greatly. At the same time most events I compete in partly to support the hosting club and to challenge myself even though my odds of winning are pretty slim.
cheers Doug
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The Heffley rondy is structured different than ours is. I like the concept.
With prizes provided with club funds along with a few donated prizes, I think the value could be placed in the neighborhood of $1500. Skip Hamaker is very generous and donates several powder horns for example.
Club members do not compete in the shooting events. The rondy prizes are for the guests. I think we had about 75 shooters register. During the hayday, about 200. As shooter numbers drop, the ability to supply prizes dwindles. We need to stucture something different to turn it around. When I hear that someones numbers increased, I'm all ears.
There is a difference in this subject 'tween' the Canadian Rondy at Heffley Creek and our shoots and Rondys that we are missing here. The Hefflley Creek weeklong rondy is about the only Rondy the shooters up there have for hundreds of miles and is the only one per year. We lucky dogs here in Pennsylvania have a shoot nearly every weekend at least Sundays all year long counting the woodswalks that Topton and Boyeertown put on in the winter. Our shooters have trouble breaking away to go to every one and they must or do pick on the better and closer ones to their homes. Soooo, if there is as rondy that for one reason or another has to cut their prizes in number and in value 'some' shooters will not attend in particular if they have to battle the home life to get away to said shoot.
Case (shoot) in point is one I recently shot at. They have their shoots in spring and fall on holiday weekends. 3 days of shooting . Used to be they had 125 and more shooters that would travel from the far end of the state to show up. This club gradually pulled out matches. Cut the agg to 50/50 which really kills a matlch @!*% quick. stopped paying high flint and high percussion back to high over all in their primative match. Less and less shooters showed up and that was the main reason. This was all prior to high fuel costs. The club gradually started paying better prizes and the attendance now up to 40 to 50 shooters. They have a limited number of matches and I hear rumbles that the shooters want more matches....Anyway, thats my story and I'm stickin to it!! ;D
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That's not actually the case Roger. For those that live in the lower third of BC, there is a BP shoot pretty much every weekend within a couple hour drive at the most. The Heffley rondy (which is an incorrect moniker) is a 10 day wind-up for the season. That's why all the various clubs are represented and why it's held at the end of summer. The boys from central BC (Prince George area) have a bit farther to go to attend shoots other than their own but are still within a reasonable distance to take in 1 or 2. Even in northern Alberta we have a few shoots. Valleyview is only 1/2 from me but not worth even THAT drive IMO and then we have Ft Mcmurray which is a 7 day rondy designed after the Heffley event thats only 6 hours away that is DEFINATLY worth the drive. There's nothing in Northern BC that I'm aware of. BTW, the rondy at Heffley is actually just called "rendezvous '08" because it's a wind-up for ALL of the clubs. Heffley creek is just the location that it's held at.
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Evil, did your Dad tell you about his ramrod in the fort shoot? Darned thing nearly knocked him on his a*s! I'm pretty sure he hit his target tho. ;) We missed you there this year.
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;D, Actually, I had seen that in the pics you posted. Mom called me as soon as they got home and said "your dad is getting forgetful". I said, Yeah, I need to ask him how exacly one shoots their RR down range". She laughed and gave the phone to Dad. I asked and he told me, then asked "how did you know about that?. Told him "it's all over the internet, I saw the picture". He said " That Harry Nicholson". I said YUP!. ;D ;D. He also dry balled once and tried to fire an empty gun (thinking it was loaded) I think twice. On the brighter side, he said he got 3rd (or fourth?) in the squirrel shoot and out shot Taylor, Daryl and Steinhauer. He figured that was not bad for an old blind man ;D.
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Cody,
I shot a ramrod once outta my smooth .62!! ;D That's a 325gr R/B and a 1100 gr ramrod! Man that hurt,not only my shoulder but my pride as well. After sending the ramrod into orbit,I had to borrow one to finish the shoot!Humbling experience! ;D ;D
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I can't give him a lot of grief Cody, I shot poorer than everyone else I know there... ;)
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'Old Max sure shot well on that squirrel trail, I'll give him that for sure. His final squirrel board target was excellent too, which cinched it for him. I was at the final line when Ken S. shot his squirrel and was as surprised to see his misses as he was. He usually doesn't do that sort of thing, only us mortals do that.
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[/quote] They have a limited number of matches and I hear rumbles that the shooters want more matches....Anyway, thats my story and I'm stickin to it!! ;D
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A ramrod match maybe? ::) Or, a week long event in similar Canadian fun style for the early arrivals or those wishing to come early. Keep the traditional events on the same days. :)
Don't mind me Roger......just thinking out loud.
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They have a limited number of matches and I hear rumbles that the shooters want more matches....Anyway, thats my story and I'm stickin to it!! ;D
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A ramrod match maybe? ::) Or, a week long event in similar Canadian fun style for the early arrivals or those wishing to come early. Keep the traditional events on the same days. :)
Don't mind me Roger......just thinking out loud.
[/quote]If you read my earlier post I was not refering to the Pines. It was regards another club's shoot/shoots! ::)
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I don't think I could handle a shoot every weekend, but it would certainly sharpen one's eye. 8) A competition every weekend would clash with fishing unless one was foot loose and retired.
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If you read my earlier post I was not referring to the Pines. It was regards another club's shoot/shoots! ::)
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I understood Roger. I knew it wasn't the Pines you where referring to. Sorry if I made it sound that way. I reread my post and can see where it was confusing.
I think we're reaching a point where clubs have to be open to creative ideas to encourage new people and renew the interest of those who have dropped out. The Heffley event has a feel to it. The type that gets into the soul. I think anyone who listens to those who attend that Rondy, wish they attended also.
Here again, just thinking out loud, the atmosphere at Heffley doesn't cost allot of money. Blanket shoots, club challenges to each other.....just fun stuff. Maybe by extending a rondy to allow for that, would bring more shooters to the line for the traditional competitions ( keeping up prize values) on the last weekend?
Sorry to the Canadians if I've hijacked your thread.
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To continue Cody's comments; here on Vancouver Is (BC) we have a 3 day rondy on the long weekends starting in April, skipping September (dropped because of small club and Heffley) and ending in October. The main clubs have their individual weekend and all clubs are within 2 hours of mid island. Attendance is down from about 5 to 7 years ago perhaps because of aging/dying originals and slow recruitment of new shooters and of recent because of high fuel prices. Much like Heffley they are as much social as competition and typical attendance would be between 50 and 80 shooters. I am not sure what we can do to increase attendance.
One of the big things that Heffley has going for it is that it is 10 days long combined with the setting. We have something similar on Vancouver Island at Port Alberni but attendance I am told has been minimal, in part I think because most shooters have to get back to work. (3 day rondy followed by another several days of informal events) In part of course Vancouver Island is isolated by a 2 hour and $60 - $70 (each way) ferry ride so that we have a much smaller group to draw on.
To put some perspective on how far people travel, Fort MacMurray (several shooters) is roughly 14 hours from Heffley, Saskatchewan considerably further (2 camps) and one husband and wife from Idaho plus several from Washington.
cheers Doug
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Jim, not to worry, you haven't hijacked anything, just enhanced it! ;) All the discussion here will spread ideas on how shoots can be improved all over. Heffley is a very good time, but I'm pretty sure the shooting is down the list of what was most fun with most attendees. It's the people that make it so good. I first shot with many of the folks there over 30 years ago, & for me it's great to see them & catch up for a while, even remember good times & old friends now gone. I don't believe the value of prizes are important, in fact I think more than a token ( a plaque or ribbon) is counter productive. Good sportsmanship & comradery is what this is all about & the guys who shoot for glory & prize value have no place there.
I am fortunate to live fairly close to Heffley, it's only a 2 hour drive from home & my gas cost for the round trip was $41. Having been a few times now I would drive further to get there, but I'm not sure if I would drive as far as a lot of folks do. Kudos to the ones who travel so far, they really enhance the experience for all by placing such importance on being there every year. My only regret is not discovering Heffley's rondy years ago!
This was a skit at council talk:
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Taylor at his archery shoot event:
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Fun for kids too! There were a LOT of kids there & all were having fun!
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Taylor, Steve, & Daryl heading to the fort after the h&k throw:
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Good pictures, Ben. TKS for posting them Harry.
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Ben won't likely appreciate the compliment Daryl, the only one he took was of me shooting... the rest are mine! :o
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errrr, ahhh - thanks Harry.
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Here's some of Ben's for you Daryl ;)
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Tks Harry - good bunch of shooting pictures. I am especially appreciative of Ben for capturing the hit on the "
Cross Gong" I made with the 20 bore flinter 1/2 stock - one of the few hit? Now, that gun's design would make a good 'bore' hunting rifle up to about 14 bore, (of course). It's English, of course.
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You're too modest Daryl, you shot well on the trail walk! Ben had a lot of fun shooting all the pictures he got, unlike us & our guns, photography is his big passion & he's pretty good at it. :) He did however express an interest in having his own flintlock by Heffley next year! ;D
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The Boss lady and I are making plans to make Hefley next year so you guys are going to have another one from wash state polluting the camp, my buddies Bob Nebitt and Mike Jaynes have been twisitng my arm this year to come and have some fun, going to plan to hit it the last week of a 3 week vacation starting in 100 mile house and fishing my way across to little fort and then head south over that pass that looks like the alps and into Hefley then maybe a day or 2 stop at lac le jeune before heading home, looking foward to it!
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Excellent trip plans Beaverman! I look forward to meeting you at Heffley!
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this year was my second in primitive camp, had a great time ,, my camp is a bell back wedge I sewed myself, my most used firearm this year was my 28GA smoothie , heck I even got a few decent scores this year, I was one of them fools who showed up 2 days ealy to help set up targets and do camp chores, so I had 11 days of fun , and left on day 12 , all in all it was great , met some old friends , and met some new ones ..sorry I never got around to visitin the last group from Wash, state ,, $#*! our camps were only 150 feet apart,, maybe next year :)
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That's the tent I want to get too Chris! How much did it cost to make yourself & what material did you use? I am looking seriously at the 12'x15' bell-backed wedge made by R&K Lodges. If I buy the tent from them & the awning locally I can cut way back on shipping costs & brokerage fees. A painter's drop cloth over a plastic tarp would make a great floor at about a quarter the price.
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Harry I made it myself just to see if I could,,, as for cost ,,prob about 50 bucks of painters drop cloths with loads left over for patch material,,, then there's waterproofing. I actually wouldn't mind a regular wedge that opens at both ends,, Crazy crow has em in sunforger for 220 for the small one and about 350 for the big one.
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I wish I had seen your tent Chris, next year. I'll check out Crazy Crow, thanks for the info! I'm undecided on whether to go bell or straight wedge. With all the modern equipment I need to camp, that bell in back would be a good place to hide things, otherwise I could go broke with all the fines!
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I just compared Crazy Crow to RK Lodges Chris. RK is more expensive but appears to be a much better tent too. All their tents, wedge & bell are 8 feet tall instead of CC's 7' & the door overlap is 12" instead of 4" on Crazy Crows. RK also has a 12" wide sod cloth which makes for a much cozier tent on those windy Heffley nights. A tent is a major expenditure, second only to a rifle for buckskinning, I'd rather spend more & get one that will meet my needs for a long while.
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Clear thinking Harry. Get Sunforger too - most important.
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I just compared Crazy Crow to RK Lodges Chris. RK is more expensive but appears to be a much better tent too. All their tents, wedge & bell are 8 feet tall instead of CC's 7' & the door overlap is 12" instead of 4" on Crazy Crows. RK also has a 12" wide sod cloth which makes for a much cozier tent on those windy Heffley nights. A tent is a major expenditure, second only to a rifle for buckskinning, I'd rather spend more & get one that will meet my needs for a long while.
For what it's worth, I have a RK bell/ wedge. 9x11-7foot. After 3 years, I have no regrets. They are well made. I've never been able to fold it down far enough to get it back into the shipping carton.
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Harry,
Be sure to check Panther Primitives.
www.pantherprimitives.com
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Wear boxers or tighty whities underneath a clout and Dog Spit will cut them off for you - HA! As interesting as that may sound, you may not like how high she pulls them up above your belt before cutting, though.
2 years later and his voice is just coming back to normal.
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Huh?
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Space...the final frontier!
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Wow! Panther has a lot of choices! I'm still leaning toward the RK tent as it comes complete for a bit better price while Panther charges extra for things like a sod cloth which to my way of thinking should be on any camp dwelling. On the other side, the Panther tents are bigger.... Taylor, I'm definitely going for sunforger fabric, but I don't think I need to go for flame resistant sunforger. I won't be having open flames in or near my tent. The flame resistant sunforger adds a lot to the cost.
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Dave and Gail are good shots, sure glad they had women's categories separate from the men's. Once Dave gets her frizzen freshed - she's be even better.
Daryl, I am doing one better then rehardening her frizzen. I am building her a whole new gun. Thanks to you pointing out that her head position on the butt stock needed improvement we have decided to build her a gun that fits her. I received a .45 caliber Green Mountain 38" B weight swamped barrel in the mail today. I cut it down to 36" long and rebreeched it. We are going to do a simple Lancaster style gun. She wants to help build it with me this winter after I get moved into the new shop. Next year is going to be a blast.
DMR
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Harry,
Panther builds them tents way tougher then most,JMHO.Checkout the seems. For a few bucks more,you get more years of service.Good trade off.
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That's wonderful news, David - and she's helping, too - what a Gal!
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Harry,
Panther builds them tents way tougher then most,JMHO.Checkout the seems. For a few bucks more,you get more years of service.Good trade off.
Thanks for the info Roy, I will talk to both companies & with all the input from here will have good, tough questions for both. I'm already looking forward to next year! YAY! No more late night hike back to my nylon tent in the forest! ;) (I nearly got lost this year I was so far from primitive!)
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Lord, I'm jealous! Heffley will be my vacation next year. If I'm above ground, you will see me.
Roger B.
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Great news Roger! I'm sure I speak for all the ALR members who frequent Heffley in saying I look forward to seeing you there!
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Harry,
A good idea is to purchase a fly from the vendor. If the weather gets rough,a good fitting fly keeps your canvas dry.If the weather is fair,they make a nice awning for shade.The reason I suggested Panther is that they make flys to fit their tents.They put in the chimney holes in the right place,no fitsky ditsky.You'd be surprised what a difference a little airtight stove in your tent can make. Chris built a cool little upright heater for his. I like them close to the ground so your feet don't get so cold. Something else to research,Harry. LOL.
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Where in the world is heffley??? ???
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Thanks Roy, you're a bloody walking encyclopedia! I hadn't thought about the fly aspect. How important is a fly? With the steep pitch of a wedge tent I didn't think water would have time to penetrate Sunforger finished canvas! I was just planning on an awning out front. No stove inside for me, the fire retardant Sunforger is way too pricey!
MB, go to: http://www.bcrendezvous.com/ everything you want to know about the Heffley Rondy is there.
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Where in the world is heffley??? ???
Nearest town is Kamloops, British Columbia. It is about 12 miles north of Kamloops, on highway 5 going towards Jaspar Alberta.
cheers Doug
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OK, now I'm really confused. Am I supposed to have my fly open or closed at Heffley? Is Sunforger better than denim? Thats what my fly is usually made out of.
Roger B.
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If I start driving now from tennessee i might be able to make there by next years shoot! :D
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Is Sunforger better than denim? Thats what my fly is usually made out of.
Roger B.
If you were making a fly or a tent, yourself, what you want to consider is how dense the weave is. Heavy denims are often a more open (think porous) weave than sail cloth and the sort of canvas that tents are made of. My wife sewed up a mini teepee out of a heavy cotton cloth which we then waterproofed. Fine for sun but when the rains came, a fine mist of tiny droplets would penetrate the material. Not leak in the sense of soaking through but penetrating through the pores as the raindrops hit
cheers Doug
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I seem to be hijacking my own thread here, but I guess because it's mine that's okay. ;) I contacted the folks at Panther Primitives this afternoon & they assured me there's no need for a fly over their tents, even in nasty weather, so it's an awning, not a fly & I'm pretty sure I'll go for a wall tent rather than a wedge. Just not enough room in a bell backed wedge for me & all my gear... I'm too danged tall!
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You'd be surprised what a difference a little airtight stove in your tent can make. Chris built a cool little upright heater for his. I like them close to the ground so your feet don't get so cold. Something else to research,Harry. LOL.
I have a stove in my bell back and it is too close to the ground. I need to add legs to it and raise it up. How did I come to that conclusion you ask. The last Saturday night at Heffley got a wee bit cool so the wife ask me to fire up the stove. Come Sunday morning while folding up the bell back I found a burn hole in the side near where the stove was. I did not remember or see it while packing up the contents. About halfway back to the states I figured out where the burn hole came from. After I removed the stove and all the items from the inside I collapsed the tent. The canvas layed on the black spot on the ground that got scorched from the bottom of the stove being too close to the ground. That spot was still hot enough to burn a hole through the canvas. Thank God I had the flame retardant material so all I got was a burn hole vs a flaming piece of canvas.
DMR
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I seem to be hijacking my own thread here, but I guess because it's mine that's okay. ;) I contacted the folks at Panther Primitives this afternoon & they assured me there's no need for a fly over their tents, even in nasty weather, so it's an awning, not a fly & I'm pretty sure I'll go for a wall tent rather than a wedge. Just not enough room in a bell backed wedge for me & all my gear... I'm too danged tall!
More or less on the same subject, it is awfully handy having an awning in front of the tent. Shelter from any rain and gives you some shade in the hot weather. I don't use a fly on my tent but partly because it is a large tent (12X15), it is difficult to get the roof completely flat and water tends to accumulate in the sags. A pole under that area while it is raining, keeps the pockets of water from forming.
I also find it prudent to keep the back of the tent pegged down and away from the stove to prevent the tent burning. My stove sits up about 8" above the ground.
cheers Doug
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I will just hide my little Coleman propane heater under the bed in the day time. I don't need the heat when sleeping, I can fire it up for 10 mins or so before dressing for bed & roll over & light it before rising in the morning. I'm sure it will get & stay a LOT warmer in a canvas tent compared to my current nylon tent which has the entire ceiling of noseum mesh & a fly over that. The heat just shoots straight out! Wood burning in a tent scares the $#@* out of me!
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Ahh - 12inches of maple coals in the centre of a Lodge - wonderful.
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The Heffley Creek Rondy website has been updated with next year's schedule of events & more pictures. Check it out at: http://www.bcrendezvous.com/ .
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I'm awaiting, with bated breath, Jim Write's pictures to show up on the site - he took a passel of them with some expensive looking camera "stuff''.
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I'm saving my pennies & making my plans. This looks like the kind of fun we had back in the day in the US. I already have the time scheduled off.
Roger B.
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You won't regret it Roger. The 10 days go by like Fast Forward!!
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Nah, you suthin peeples wilna like it! Away too much fun fer the likes of yoo! What with all the shootin,canons,loud and crazy buckskiners, drunk pilgrims, more shootin,gads, I think you'll be waistin yer time! Away to much fun! Man,that week goes by kwick!Be seeing y'all there next year? don't bother,you won't be able to stop laughing and yur sides will ache.
BTW, we murder squirels along with other metalica!
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Will be especially pleased if you 2 make it Roger F. & Roger B. We need someone who can compete SUCCESSFULLY against the 'Hunters'. Having a separate clasification for seniors only takes Neil out of the 'contest' for us younguns. That will leave Roger B. and Dave Rase to bring Mark down.