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Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« on: July 09, 2010, 09:26:29 PM »
This is a reproduction of a plains Indian pipe axe that I just finished with a head in the style of Carlos Gove.

This style head has not been available in the past and is now being offered by TrackoftheWolf.  It is a classic copy of the head made by Gove who forged pipe axe blades to be traded to the indians at St. Louis , Council Bluffs, and later Denver, Co.  The head as received was a clean casting but required final shaping and cleanup. 

The haft is curly ash with poured pewter top and base caps.  I used an original seated Liberty quarter dated 1854 for the topcap.

Thanks for looking!
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 09:33:36 PM »
 Very nice job. The pewter work is great.

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 11:30:45 PM »
What a splendid whacker!  Great work!!
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 05:50:52 AM »
WOW!!

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 06:23:19 AM »
I like the lighting on your pictures. What did you use for the background.

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 02:38:27 PM »
  A most excellent piece of work! Beautiful.

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 03:03:43 PM »
Beautiful ,Thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 03:36:02 PM »
Carl,
Great looking hawk.  Your work is always outstanding.  Thanks for sharing the pics and the info on the new head.  I had not seen that yet. 
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 04:18:29 PM »
That is a fine piece of work for sure.  How much work did you have to do to clean up that cast head?  Did you heat treat it or leave it as cast?  Thanks for showing it.

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2010, 06:05:00 PM »
Fantastic piece of work.  I have really enjoyed studying your pictures.  Each time I look at it I see it in a different light.  Thanks for sharing the pics.
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 08:08:43 PM »
Gentlemen,  Thanks for the kind words as my work is very simple when I look at the other items from this site.
    Nate, the pictures were taken with a black table in my office as the background.  My son is a graphic design artist and he has a program that he can take the photos and place them on a solid black background, they look like something you would see in a coffee table book. I'm very proud to own the beautiful lehigh valley gun you did, it is a work of art.
    The head only required some very light draw filing and a good polishing with some pretty course paper.  I did harden the edge but i doubt it will ever chop anything.  The metal is pretty hard as cast.....Carl

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 03:36:48 AM »
Beautiful job, thx for the post...  :) Kerry

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 01:28:03 AM »
Track of the Wolf should post saying thanks.  I order 3 heads from them yesterday because of your Hawk. 

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2010, 04:29:13 AM »
Beautiful Hawk!!!!

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 03:42:28 AM »
Great looking tomahawk.
I admit ignorance but I question Gove actually making them when they were a common trade import item from Europe just like gun locks.
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 08:54:43 PM »
Dan, he did forge the heads as there are a few high quality hawks inlaid and engraved by Gove before he got to denver and became more involved in gun building/selling... 

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2010, 05:20:16 AM »
Carl-----your work at times leaves me speechless...............simply BEAUTIFUL!  I have taken your advise and started making small stuff myself. Mostly with leather at this time.  Most days the arthritis in my knuckles keeps me from doing anything with very fine motor with my fingers.  Darn Im only 45.  :P

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2010, 06:23:16 AM »
Dan, he did forge the heads as there are a few high quality hawks inlaid and engraved by Gove before he got to denver and became more involved in gun building/selling... 

Being devils advocate here...
He very well might have made tomahawk heads.
To make show he did this, for me at least, would need  some pretty hard documentation like some sort of record of payment for forging tomahawks. Selling them is a far different thing and in no way indicates making an item. Barrels full of tomahawks of just about every conceivable design were going west well before 1840. Heck if someone bought enough stuff it could be marked before if ever left the factory with any name desired.
My point is that I can't see why he would bother when he could likely buy them cheaper than he could make them, mark them as he wanted and sell them.
He was employed as a gunsmith for the indian department in the 1840s and surely knew where to obtain cheap hawk heads.
By 1860 he was into retail trade, groceries etc if a big way with 80000 in inventory is 2 stores in Colorado. But determined he could make more money as a gunsmith due to too much competition in groceries and such. This from http://www.memoriallibrary.com/CO/1898DenverPB/pages/pbrd0596.htm

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2010, 10:36:38 AM »
Carl very nicely done as always and I really like that head too.

Dan - there is lots of period documented evidence to show that large quantities of pipe hawks were in fact made by smith's here in the Americas and not imported from England, but you'll have to do the research since I'm not about to type it all up - one major researcher (Richard Pohrt - see Native American Weapons by Colin Taylor for reference) states that few if any pipehawks were built in England. Based on the period records they were apparently a uniquely American/Canadian made item rather than an imported trade item. HBC and other fur trade Company import records of the period tabulate hatchets and axes of various types in large quantites, but pipe hawks only show up infrequently. The L & C pipehawks, both those taken for trade as well as those carried by the men, were made for the expedition at Harper's Ferry.
As to markings on pipe hawk heads of any source they are few and far between except in the case of high end pieces such as the Angstadt pipe hawk. In fact the lack of marked heads of pipehawks is one one indication that they were not imported since almost all other imported goods such as knives and regular axes were maker marked (gun locks are another matter altogether). Joseph Jourdain, of Green Bay, Wi, is another well documented smith of pipe hawks http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/wda&CISOPTR=2188&CISOBOX=1&REC=5
Heck even Jake and Sam Hawken were making Indian and battle axes in quantity for the Choteau's during the 1820's (1823, 1824, and 1826 specifically) and the Choteau's were the major source of imported goods in St Louis so it is highly doubtful they would be buying imported goods from the Hawkens...........

Just some of the references for axes, hatchets, and pipe hawks I have on file:
Baldwin, John, Tomahawks & Pipe Axes of the American

Hanson, Charles E. Jr., The Plains Rifle and The Hawken Rifle: It's Place in History

Hartzler, Daniel D. and Knowles, James A., Indian Tomahawks & Frontiersman Belt Axes

Hothem, Lar,  North American Indian Artifacts

Johnston, James R., Accouterments, Vol. II, Golden Age Arms Co.

Peterson, Harold L. American Indian Tomahawks

Russell, Carl P. Firearms, Traps and Tools of the Mountain Men

Taylor, Collin F., Native American Weapons
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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2010, 12:38:42 PM »
Wow  Chuck  I'm glad you decided not to type it all out, LOL  :).

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2010, 03:47:14 PM »
That hawk is just about as good as it gets !

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2010, 05:30:43 PM »
Carl, this is really nice, didn't know you were so talented, I haven't seen you since we use to haggle down at Magnus, really miss those days

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2010, 05:50:10 PM »
Double Hunter, You must identify yourself...man, I miss those days myself and the super rare items we had way back then.  It was a lot more fun for me than the real estate business is but heck, the years have quickly passed and life has been good to me..  Are you still in the
Jackson area?
     Gentlemen, I appreciate the nice remarks about the axe, with all I have made, I only have two left and each of my sons have about six each.  it's hard to get motivated to do them.....

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2010, 06:18:37 PM »
Hey Carl, this  is Bob Wynne, it,s been so  long since we we've seen one another that you probably don't remember the name,  the last time I saw you was a gunshow in Jackson several years ago, I gonna mention a few names here that will bring back some memories, but I use to work Carl Shoufler and Pogo Williams, retired a couple years ago from AT&T, just built a new house at Cleary, got started building rifles a couple years ago. Been wanting to build a Hawk, I would love to know how you pour that pewter.

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Re: Carlos Gove Pipe tomahawk
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2010, 06:40:12 PM »
Bob, send me an email to:  hawknknife@hotmail.com, we can see about the pewter business...