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Offline gibster

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Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« on: September 17, 2008, 05:39:08 PM »
Well, here is the final version of the second E. Tennessee build.  There are a few changes from the first rifle, but not many.  I gave the butt plate a little more curve, changed the top profile of the comb (very slightly), the bow of the guard is a little smaller and there is a slight difference in the shape of the box.  Also, the toe plate is a little longer than the first one, and the tang is made as a one-piece tang instead of two as the first one.  More on that later.  Both rifles have Ed Rayl .25 caliber, ¾-inch barrels that are 42-inches long.  The only parts that I didn’t make on either rifle is the barrel, lock, triggers and rear sight.  I can’t say that I forged them in the true sense of the word, because I don’t have a forge.  And if I did have one, I wouldn’t know how to use it, although I would like to learn.  However, I did beat, bang, heat and wield each and every part.  On the first rifle, I browned all the parts.  But when I read the threads on different types of bluing, I decided to rust blue the parts.  This was my first attempt doing this, and the results are very pleasing, at least to me.  They turned almost a black, and were worked down a little with 0000-steel wool to more of a blue-gray color.  To do the barrel, I used a 4-foot section of 4-inch PVC pipe and capped one end.  After browning the barrel, I placed it in the pipe and poured boiling water into the pipe until it was full and allowed it to cool.  I read where someone had filled the bore with boiling water to rust blue it, but I didn’t think that I would have much luck pouring boiling water down a .25-inch hole. So I opted for the pipe.  It seemed to work good for me.  Now to the tang.  For you guys that have done this, more than once, my hats off to you.  I made the tang in two pieces as mentioned in my previous thread, and inletted them.  Then I wielded the pieces together.  Sounds simple, right?  Well, that’s what I thought too.  I worked the wield down and it looked great.  It even fit the inletting well.  But when I pulled the barrel later to dovetail it for the sights, the tang broke at the wield..  After that, it really went down-hill.  I had to add a small piece of metal to lengthen it to its original size, tried to re-wield it, and burned through the metal.  I eventually got it, but only be replacing the section from the rear screw to where it joined what would be the “normal” length of the tang.  To give it strength, I notched the rear of the tang to hold the smaller section about 1/8th of an inch.  I also wielded the sides to give additional support, and rounded the shape instead of having it squared off.  I held after re-inletting the new shape of the tang when I removed it for sanding the stock and finishing the metal.  I just hope that I never have to remove the barrel, because I would hate to break it again.  Feel free to comment, critique, give opinions on technique or anything else.  I welcome them all.  I also want to thank those that commented and gave advice after the first rifle.  I followed most of it, and chunked the rest (sorry).  I included a picture of both rifles together, but it is at a distance, so I don’t know if you can see the differences or not.  Anyway, here’s the rifle and I look forward to your thoughts.
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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 06:03:33 PM »
I think you did a fine job on both rifles!

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 07:22:02 PM »
I like them both.  With such a tiny barrel, you've done well to give the wrist and buttstock a nice fullness.  I like the trigger guard too, but I would have used a lug and pin to retain the forward return, rather than a screw.  I don't know anything about these rifles, so your forward screw may be perfectly suited. 
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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 07:28:40 PM »
 They look great, nice job!

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 07:44:17 PM »
Looks very nice, and also look like it would be a hoot to shoot!  The color of the rust bluing job works well on the rifle.
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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 08:30:41 PM »
Great job Gibster!  I like the changes you made and it has a more E. TN look to it for sure.  The up and over tang is great!  as is the trigger guard.  Well done. 
You might see a real early gun or one made in NC with a pinned guard but the vast majority are screwed on the trigger guard finals. 
Thanks for sharing the pics.  What's next ?

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 12:17:52 AM »
Very nice looking rifle, Gibster.  Glad to see another Southern Mountain buff actively working.  Cheers,  Bookie
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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 12:32:02 AM »
A .25 would make a superb squirrel or grouse rifle.  I can imagine snipping off their little heads as I write this. Cool!

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 01:39:22 AM »
i think you can do better but so no one knows that you did work like that you should just throw  them out ...better yet ill take and hide them for ya ;). they are some nice ones even had to wipe the screen off from my son drooling.

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 05:10:55 PM »
Like to get a shooting report on the 25's.  I would have a lot of use for a smaller bore like that.  Now that I do not shoot competition, (may start up next summer) I have a use for a small caliber and a big caliber.  What does a 25 caliber ball weigh?
TM rifles look very good to me.

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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 02:31:29 PM »
Gibster,
What kind of powder charge do you shoot in that .25?
Ken
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Re: Another Iron Mounted Flintlock
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 04:02:52 PM »
Thanks for all the comments on the rifle.  As far as what is next, I have a '37 Chevy truck that I have been trying to build a street rod from for over a year and I think that it's time to get serious with it.  But that's a different forum  ;D.  I haven't had a chance to shoot the latest rifle yet.  But the first one has been to the range and looks like it will be a sweet rifle to shoot.  I am using "F" Buckshot (measures .221) with a .020 patch over 20 grains of 3F powder.  At 25 yards it was putting three shot groups into quarter-size groups.  I feel sure that once the fine tuning is done, it may do even better.  I was wiping the bore between shots, so there was no problem loading.  I shot a string of three shots without wiping the bore, and it was starting to get tight.  I'll learn more on the next trip to the range.  All in all, I am well pleased with the way it shoots and I think that it will make a fine squirrel rifle.  Again, thanks for all the kind words.  It was a blast building them and when I start another project, I'll let you know.
Gibster